Hello, I would like to complain that filling out a form to complain is exactly the kind of thing that Gene Roddenberry would be against so I refuse to do it. /s
Right column, second checkbox from the bottom.
Please submit this complaint on the official complaint form
LMAO
Hair (not Pike)
Hair (Pike)
“I get too wet looking at Pike”
Other: Not enough Klingon boy bandI actually thought that scene was a missed opportunity to inject a Klingon operatic bit!
How are you going to have two for Janeway but no mention of siskos war crimes or martial law. Smdh
Because I can live with it.
Computer, erase that entire personal log.
I understood that reference
Touchè
No man is an island
I have a problem with the Kelvin timeline. Specifically how they depicted the Kobayashi Maru sequence. No, I don’t care if Spock programmed it. My issue is that Kirk’s behavior stank. He straight up cheated, but even worse, he was smug about it. That didn’t show leadership potential at all. That was conduct unbecoming of an officer.
I’d always had it in my head that Kirk simply disagreed with the test philosophically. It’s a simple scene to set up. Kobayashi Maru tests officers to see how they deal with a losing path in a simulation of a deterministic universe, but especially to reveal the quality of their character. But Kirk doesn’t believe in fate. He believes in a quantum universe, where infinite possibilities spring from the vacuum every instant. In my mind, Kirk wouldn’t simply reprogram the hostile ships’ shields to drop at an exact moment, then just line up his shots. That’s still determinism! Instead he would subtly reprogram the simulation to account for random chance, and depend upon his skill to beat the odds against whatever the scenario might throw at him. Examining his changes to the code would reveal not a spoiled rotten, cheating, nepotism brat, but a confident leader with a fundamental difference in personal philosophy for approaching the Universe, and furthermore, who simultaneously argued that the Kobayashi Maru was a flawed exercise, while generously offering a patch to improve it. That’s captain material.
That scene would have made me lose all respect for Kirk if I regarded it as canon, so I can’t. I would never follow a man like that into the unknown, no matter his supposed tactical brilliance. No disrespect to any of the actors. It’s just bad writing. Beyond that, I’ve got no problem with Kelvin beyond minor quibbles.
I understand where you’re coming from.
Another way to look at it though, is Kirk wanted to draw attention to the ridiculousness of the test. He was making a bold statement that his intention wasn’t to “cheat” but to show the test was stupid by rubbing it in their faces. He was saying if you’re going to fix it so I can’t win, I’m going to fix it so no one can lose.
I have my issues with the Kelvin timeline. And to be honest I think the writing could have been better in that scene. But I would prefer they replace the ending of movie two. The reactor sacrifice thing went away past just a nod to previous movies into lazy writing. And the blood thing created SO many future plot holes…
This is how I see it. Reprogramming the test was a protest, and protests should be loud and obvious. A subtle change that made the test just barely passable would have just looked like academic dishonesty.
Yeah the more thought about it, you also can’t compare “canon” Kirk to the Kelvin Kirk. Expecting one that grew up without a dad to act the same…
That’s very true, Kelvin Kirk is much more obnoxious than I believe prime Kirk would have been as a cadet. I’m not even sure Kelvin Kirk has the necessary charm to argue his way out of trouble the way prime Kirk did. If the attack on Vulcan hadn’t interrupted, I could see the academy authorities coming down pretty hard on him.
Yeah Into Darkness was just a bad concept all around. Just a bad idea to remake a good movie in general. And then Star Trek II revolved around a villain from Kirk’s past coming back for revenge. Kirk and Khan never met before in the Kelvin timeline, so there really isn’t anything there. It was destined to be a a half-assed remake at the concept stage, and they should’ve scrapped it and done pretty much anything else as soon as someone suggested bringing back Khan.
Still it’s not the worst Trek movie.
Yeah, I mentioned the end, but that was more the straw that broke the camel’s back. I’m general I liked them all but 2 was the worst of the three without question.
The Kobayashi Maru sequence is a perfect summation of everything wrong with Kelvin Kirk. He’s basically a fratboy. He just lies and cheats his way through problems by the seat of his pants with no forethought or consideration. Actual TOS Kirk is an incredibly smart, educated and thoughtful leader who constantly questions his own beliefs and motivations. He understands the burden and the cost of leadership, and always strives to meet that burden, and he truly believes in the Federations mission to be build a better world for all.
This is why I love Strange New Worlds. SMW Chris Pike is, genuinely, the best version of Kirk in any Star Trek. Smart, thoughtful, emotionally intelligent, cares deeply about his crew, but also funny and likable. And, when need be, kind of a badass.
Klingon continuity is the only thing on here that can get me riled.
Faith of the Heart is… whatever. What Janeway did to Tuvix, I definitely wish didn’t happen that way, but I can get over it.
But dammit stop fucking up Klingons, please. TOS gets a pass (and Enterprise, whatever its other problems, retconned a continuity fix for that.) But every Klingon fuckup after that is inexcusable. (Some more inexcusable than others.)
(Sorry. Sorry. I’ll go take ten deep slow breaths now.)
Yeah the Klingons changed over time, but once you they have a Klingon in the regular cast it’s kinda set at that point.
Worf is THE Klingon now. All other Klingons will be compared to Worf from here on out. Sure there can still be some variance, but if they stray too far off from Worf, they’re asking people to choose which is the real Klingon: Worf or whatever they’re putting up on the screen now. The answer will always be Worf is the real Klingon, and the new version is not a real Klingon.
It’s just how it is, and it’s really insane they tried to stray from Worf too much under the excuse that Klingons were changed previously. Yeah they were changed previous to a Klingon being a regular cast member on two popular Trek series.
Which fuckup, except for DIS season 1?
Any time they bleed red instead of fuchsia is an unforgivable violation of the sacred canon.
DIS season 1 is the worst Klingon continuity issue, but the Chris Pine Star Trek movie Klingons weren’t like other Klingons either. Enough so that the fanbase had to start speculating as to how to resolve that inconsistency.
The Kelvin line of movies is 100% non canon in my head. It’s good they made a separate parallel universe, so I can pretend it never happened and just go on enjoying the rest of the trek
Wait, so now KLINGONs have a Bird of Prey?!
Deep breaths no, it’s fine, I’m over it now. Those breathing exercises really work.
Specify if comic sans! You got me!
We’re calling out Comic Sans, but not Papyrus?
Wait, people don’t like Faith of the Heart?
People detest Faith of the Heart
People with no faith of the heart
I used to not like it, but then I liked it.
Now it’s my favorite part of Enterprise
Android slaves in Picard conflicts with TNG canon.
Trapped tardigrades for propulsion in Disco conflicts with Voyager canon.
Those are my complaints.
Android slaves in Picard conflicts with TNG canon.
Yeah I hear ya on that. When you think about it, Picard S1 is the exact opposite of Measure of a Man. In Measure of a Man they start by thinking it’s ok to disassemble Data against his will because he’s a machine. But then there’s a debate about whether he’s sentient. It ends with Picard saying that since debatable that he’s sentient there is no debate about whether or not to disassemble data because if they do that if there’s even a possibility Data is sentient, they risk being horrible racist monsters and eventually creating a slave race.
Picard S1 starts with the Federation already creating a slave race AND disassembling the androids. And it’s not that they’re assuming they’re just machines, they are overtly racist against the androids. So much so when the androids malfunction they don’t even consider the possibility that it’s a malfunction (run a level 5 diagnostic or whatever), they go straight to hating androids.
I get they were trying to do an anti-racist message (which it’s Star Trek, that’s what they should do) but by doing Measure of a Man backwards they didn’t accomplish anything. Because it’s later revealed the androids were indeed just malfunctioning machines. So the Federation was being racist against malfunctioning machines? What is anyone supposed to learn from this message? If your computer doesn’t work right, don’t be racist against computers… run a virus scan instead.
TNG: Android is a machine -> maybe he’s sentient? -> disassembly might be racist? -> disassembly: NOPE!
Picard S1: Android are people -> people that the Federation is racist against -> no wait, they’re actually malfunctioning machines -> ???
By doing it backwards they watered down the anti-racist message so much it’s non-existent.
Yes agreed 10000%. S1 Picard was so confusing to me because of what you said. Did nobody in the writers room watch that episode of TNG?? There’s a few more too!!
“The Most Toys” asserts Data’s humanity over and over again. That episode with the Exocomps talks about tech sentience thru evolution and the effect on self preservation. That other episode about terraforming and finding the inorganic life forms. So many to choose from!
First 30 seconds of Picard: “These damn dirty robot slaves are so whiny and cranky!”
Me: 🤦
Android slaves in Picard conflicts with TNG canon.
I blame Voyager.
Hm, not sure what you mean.
Are there android slaves in voyager?
Not quite, but in “Author, Author” a bunch of repurposed EMH Mark 1 are seen mining dilithium back home while obviously not being very happy about it.
This needs a love checkbox. Because, seriously, I love Pike’s hair, and I really need a place to complain about it.
That’s a different form
…of love
Which Trek has too much chest hair?
You tell me!
That’s not too much. We only get shirtless Picard like twice…!
i guess
We’re still in not enough territory
I went to a celtic festival earlier today and there was a (male presenting) person in a dress you would expect to see on a docudrama about Jack the Ripper.
Inside this lady of the evening dress was the hariest person I have ever seen in a dress. Take that dark dense patch in the center of rikers chest, put that all over the exposed breast area, the upper back, arms, huge beard, very dense hairy legs. And all of it fiery orange.
That might be approaching “too much” territory, but I gotta say, what we have seen on star trek so far has been alopecia by comparison.
good of you to include pike’s hair as a complaint, that way we know who to space
I dislike Discovery, not true to Gene’s vision.
It stopped being sci-fi and started being fantasy when they started with magical tardigrades and “time bugs”. The rest plays like a space marines series.
Edit: also the spark and flame throwers on the bridge make it look like GWAR concert.
I dislike Discovery because it focuses on one main character instead of the entire crew.
That’s kind of exactly what I don’t like about it and part of why I call it a “space marines” series. Gene’s vision is of a future where different life forms come together and work under a unified code and for the greater good. It’s not about one person rising to power and being the hero.
It feels like they are trying to graft the Star Wars theme onto Star Trek with hand wavey magical “forces” that don’t have even the most tenuous link to science, and singular heroes that make anything that’s worth happening happen. The original series at least tried to give a nod to the scientific consensus and then try to extrapolate it out.
Oh no, am I gonna hate Discovery? That sounds decidedly un-star trek.
Michael Burnham is somehow more valuable than everyone else in Starfleet when it comes to saving the universe. Then saving it again. Then going to the future and saving it again. It’s a bummer cause there are some great characters but no one does deus ex like Michael and yeah it does not feel like Trek
Thankfully TOS never did any fantasy stuff like galactic barriers, Trelane, massive green hands in space, or Abraham Lincoln. That wouldn’t have been true to Gene’s vision.
I’m not a fan of Disco either, but tardigrades and time bugs are really low on my list of complaints. Star Trek did lots of even whackier stuff over the last 60 years (or did everyone forget the “Fun with DNA” episodes of the 90s?). In fact, that time bug episode was probably the best 32nd century Disco episode. Which is a low bar, but anyway.
I guess my issues with stuff like the tardigrade, time bug, spore drive, etc. is that it’s just taking something from earth and putting it in space and saying it’s the “space version”. It’s so lazy and stupid. At least TOS usually had some interesting reasoning behind why these things were happening or they were different enough from anything on earth that at least they felt novel and innovative.
what about the special needs holograms that fail if you blink at them in the wrong way. What the hell was that about?
This is what happens when a stupid person tries to write a clever character. There’s no actual intelligence it’s all just stupid magic loopholes that our character knows for some random reason that makes no actual logical sense.
Gene would have loved Discovery because it let characters say “fuck” and there’s nothing and no one Gene hated more than the censors.
Detest, Voyager, missing/extra pips.
Notes: WHERE IS HARRY’S PROMOTION?!
This also grinds my gears, especially after so many officers die during the course of the series. So many junior officer ranks are time-defined promotions (in real life) and even if they weren’t time based, slots opened up due to all the people dying.
What if I don’t like the new movies because jj Abrahms can’t direct for shit?
Checkmark lens flares?
Good call.
Try Beyond. He had basically no involvement.
I’ve seen it, it’s definitely the best one.
