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    I just hope federal services (like applying for a passport) don’t become Twitter-only after Trump appoints Elon as Secretary of Enshittification.

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      Oof. Poor Americans. The 4 year shit show you’re going to have to put up with.

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        Thing is, mate…fascists rarely stay inside their boarders. This is going to be the whole world’s problem in about 3 months.

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        4 years if laws and constitution stay the same and are followed… first term he had people alienated into him who were at least slightly appropriated for their positions, this time people who has nothing to do with their positions are being appointed simply for being loyal to him… Let’s see if any of them won’t let him do anything drastic within 4 YEARS

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        Nah, most people are going to live their lives and see absolutely no effect from anything done. No single administration has the ability to totally fuck up the country in the amount of time they have. That’s why you get the big swings back and forth between the two parties. Also, the news is very good at sensationalizing absolutely everything and making you think that, oh my god, it’s the end of the fucking world. What are we going to do? Run around like chickens screaming with our heads cut off and shit.

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          We know that Ukraine will be betrayed by the Trump government. A Russian victory will embolden Russia to further threaten Europe. This will also embolden China and other authoritarian states.

          We also know a Trump government will stop climate action. Unfortunately, this will also signal to many other governments that they can do the same.

          We also know that immense cruelties will be perpetrated such as the family separation policy of the 1st Trump presidency

          But yes, if you are white, straight and middle class or rich, you’ll be able to think all is OK until such time as the authoritarian ascendancy led by China and Russia affects your own life, which might be a decade or more away.

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            How many people do you think would be affected by his deportation policies? I’ve heard a number of around 10 million, and that’s 3% of the population, which, while absolutely terrible, means that the other 97% isn’t going to really care.

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              Those 3% (going by your math):

              Pick crops

              Contribute $90 billion or more in tax for the county via sales tax.

              Without those people, we have no food, and immediate inflation begins. You know, the thing everyone was bitching about that was literally caused by Trumps inaction on COVID.

              This affects EVERYONE in the US.

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              I know the last time he was in office his immigration policies made it impossible for some people families to come over. I worked with a couple people struggling with that.

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              “Stimpy, sometimes your wealth of ignorance astounds me.” – Ren Höek

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          No single administration has the ability to totally fuck up the country in the amount of time they have.

          Women in need of reproductive health services in red states would like a word.

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          No single administration has the ability to totally fuck up the country in the amount of time they have.

          Trump: “Hold my Diet Coke”.

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          People seem to be down voting you…but Trump was already elected before and quickly became irrelevant after his 4 years.

          He ruined plenty of people’s lives in that time, but he came and went before and one day he’ll be out of office again. The world goes on.

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      You mean head of DOGE? Because we live in the timeline where a terminally online edgelord with the brain of a 14yo and the body of a 54yo makes meme government agencies.

      Anyway, get your passport now. They’re good for ten years, enough to last at least through the tentative end of Trump’s circus.

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      I say this as someone who likes fediverse microblogging (Mastodon, MissKey, etc) it will never be Mastodon. Mastodon and its maintainers are staunchly against all the things that would make it a viable replacement to Twitter.

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          They don’t like algorithms. They want you to select which content you see.

          That’s all I’ve got. Mastodon is a better, more open tech. And it’s pretty easy to get set up, relatively. It’s insane that companies haven’t jumped on it.

          You don’t even have to quit Twitter. You can just post to more than one place and give people the option.

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            This is what happens when someone can’t put themselves into their user’s shoes and then wonder why a product isn’t doing as well as it is.

            They proclaim the product is great, it’s everyone else that’s the problem

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      Actually not a bummer in my opinion, let people sort into different platforms based on their interests like we used to do with forums.

      A fragmented internet is a better internet

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        But it’s not fragmented. Mastodon is still the odd “vegan” option while BlueSky is becoming the main Twitterlike platform. Mastodon is still coming out the other end mostly the same.

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          Yeah, and that’s a good thing specially for the reason I just mentioned

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        I somewhat agree, but it’s not going to happen. If Bluesky wins this battle, they’re just going to be the dominant platform. It’s not going to spread out. It’s just going to migrate. A federated alternative would at least be spread out by design, though connected still.

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        that’s not how the modern internet works and unfortunately i am forced to be on facebook because all 4 hobbies no longer exists outside of it.

        if people moved to the fediverse instead of bluesky or such, then we’d actually be able to have a fragmented internet again - due to how the fediverse interconnects through federation.

        which i think is the best selling point the fediverse have - no longer would users need to be on multiple services, they could just be on one, and still interact with the services across the fediverse. but unless there is a mass-migration of one single service to the fediverse, such as people choosing mastodon over bluesky, to be the dominant service - it’s just never going to happen.

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    Countdown until it turns out that everybody associated with any competition to Musk’s companies just so happens to be a criminal Trump siccs his DOJ after: 5… 4…

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      I wouldn’t discount the possibility that bsky is backed by the same dark money pool that bought twitter. putin found that it’s way too easy to buy elections worldwide just using social media. They’ll never give it up.

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    Let’s replace one proprietary service with another. It looks so good with its API wide open, like it’s never getting enshittified.

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      It’s obvious to me that we need to have laws to enforce portability of data and interoperability for large platforms.

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      Bsky federates. I follow several people from my Mastodon profile.

      Edit: I should add a caveat here. Federation doesn’t work as smoothly as Threads yet. You have to use a bridge service: https://fed.brid.gy/

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        For now. They’re still in their growth phase. If they ever become dominant and they need to make money, they’ll turn into a walled garden like every other. Everyone seems to forget that Twitter, Reddit and Facebook were also all about openness at the start

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          Absolutely, I don’t trust them at all. There’s a reason I’m on Mastodon and not either of the corporate platforms. It is nice to at least be able to follow people there though, and interact with them.

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        The bridge is necessary because BlueSky and Mastodon cannot federate, and they never will be able to. ActivityPub and ATProto are different protocols.

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        Oh, well that’s good anyway. Is it true that they only have like one major server? Because I’ve heard that, but I haven’t looked much into them, so I’m not sure if it’s still the case or not. To my understanding, they are meant to be a federated network, but really only have the one server.

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          Yeah this is still true as far as I know. Honestly this is probably what allowed BS to gain a foothold; I like mastodon too but asking new users to pick a server was always going to be a source of adoption friction.

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          AFAIK that’s still the case, yes. I don’t have a Bluesky (or Threads) account so I can’t confirm.

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        Not only federates but can also be partially self-hosted and is also open-source - by the way, I don’t mean it’s perfect but a lot better to reach people from there than Twitter, but be wary of this), anyone knowledgeable of US politics will know the names mentioned and how shady it looks. I still think Mastodon isn’t ready for this kins of exodus. People who waited this long to leave either wants convenience or is waiting for some of the people they follow go elsewhere, or both. Mastodon has too many mobile apps options, BlueSky official app is so much closer to how Twitter looks like and people are used to and don’t need to choosee instance as it already comes pre-selected by default (although people can change). Then comes the issue of scability if there was an instance to be the “default” for these people who just want quick and convenient alternative, will it be able to handle this much people at once? I have no idea but I doubt it. Most of us who go find alternative in the Fediverse is aware privacy-focused alternatives usually more than often comes at the price of convenience, not really the mindset those people are in, hopefully some of them get into it by learning what decentralization is from BlueSky?

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      Has an aggressively unpleasant user base and nowhere near the blocking functionality that Bluesky has, which is essentially mandatory now for minorities on the internet. Not to mention an onboarding process that can confuse the tech literate, much less the average person.

      This comment is not an invitation to talk about how actually it’s very simple and intuitive if you follow a 20 step process that relies on detailed knowledge of how federation works.

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        I think it’s easy to understand Mastodon, or any federated service, using a metaphor for a country or large place, where you can say “I want to move to X country” but then you have to actually pick a place IN that country to live, like a specific city or rural district. Once you decide on your instance, it’s really not that hard

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        You dont need to explain email so federation does not seem to be the issue here IMO. The problem is money which FLOSS projects usually don’t have. The successful ones have perhaps enough so that the devs can put food on their table, but not much else. Most of the apps are after Dayjob hobby projects. It’s hard to compete with those who have teams of paid staff.

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        Those people will either learn one day or they will end up in the same vicious cycle over and over again for the rest of their lives until they do learn the lesson or die. The only reason the blue sky process is better is because, at least currently, they only have the one server. If it ever actually federates, like it’s supposed to, then that point is completely moot. Because then they won’t know how to sign up for blue sky either.

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          Oh no, not the same thing I’ve been doing since the mid 90s! I might die if I migrate sites again! Or something.

          Making a social network only usable by around 5% of the population and then complaining when only 5% of the population shows up is a pretty indicative attitude of why so many FOSS projects struggle to get widespread adoption. You don’t get to choose how tech literate the population is. You either make it more useable or you accept a limited audience.

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          Clown take. “People should just get smart!”

          95% of all American adults cannot use search functions in email.

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    It needs A) same functionality B) ban all forms of racism, especially Zionism and C) refuse investment from undemocratic nations like GCC or China

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        What’s with the consistent amount of “American Democracy is dead” rhetoric I’ve been seeing lately? It’s not like Trump is president yet. And sure, Biden isn’t going to make too much impact as a lame duck, but even after Trump takes office again, there’s a lot he can do, and a whole lot more he won’t be able to. The power is still in the hands of the people, especially at the local level. America’s democracy isn’t dead, and saying anything of the sort is obeying in advance.

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          Yea, have you heard about project 2025?

          With choosing trump, the American people have chosen that they approve that project.

          At least, so do I see it.

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      yeah I don’t think a usa based platform is really “long gaming” the fee speech problem. Bluesky now shifting to monetization plans. Its a matter of time until some rich dildo buys it up. If were lucky it will be mark cuban or somebody buts its still grim prospects.

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    These kind of articles always remind me whenever a new MMORPG launched, and then people claimed it would be the World of Warcraft killer.

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      On the other hand, the track record of old social networks is not great.

      And it’s reasonable to posit Twitter is deep into the enshitifiication cycle.

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        Depends what “side” you’re on and what content you choose to engage with I guess.

        Because features wise it’s better than ever I’d say, I’m not even sure what stuff they added or removed that would’ve made the platform worse.

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          I’d posit the algorithm has turned it into a monster.

          Attention should be dictated more by chronological order and what others retweet, not what some black box thinks will keep you glued to the screen, and it felt like more of the former in the old days. This is a subtle, but also very significant change.

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      I mean, plenty of other games have had way more concurrent players.

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    Please, let’s not do this. Lets just enjoy sites that aren’t toxic without making them toxic by written articles with headlines like this.

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      Ehhh on bsky there are curated blocklist and you can mute words…and it actually works, like twitter before the takeover.

      What you need to win the battle is to clone twitter before they changed the timeline to use the algorithm.

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    Soooooooo…what happens whenever X eventually dies? Does Bluesky just defederate, and say “Haha! It is I who has the most audience, therefore I who dictate the industry!”

    Hot or not was a thing until friendster was a thing.

    Friendster was a thing, until myspace was a thing.

    Myspace was a thing until facebook was a thing.

    We’ve seen this line of ups and downs before. Eventually Twitter will be replaced. And then the new thing will be around. As of right now, Bluesky is “federated”, but it REALLY feels like they don’t want to be. Drop of a hat, and they’re defederated. Maybe I’m wrong, but I don’t see it.

    I want you to imagine signing up for a service that has extroplatratinated defubulinators. And everybody on the service is taking full advantage of it. But you haven’t signed up yet, so your defubulinator needs to be created and calibrated before you can gain anything from it. Now imagine if you had no idea what extroplatratinated defubulinators even were, and you weren’t being given any indication what they do, or how to use them. Imagine you had no idea what I was even talking about. And imagine what you would do if search engines wouldn’t help you figure it out. But here I am, ranting and raving about how much better it is for you than traditional methods. But you couldn’t find ANYONE who used it, or knew what I was talking about either.

    So now you just keep living life. Never again taking what I said serious.

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      There was a time when people thought legally mandated interoperability could become the law of the land. That dream is probably dead, but if there’s ever a chance to push it through, it would be worth doing. It’d be a complex piece of legislation to be sure and would probably need to go through a number of iterations to get it right, but it would be a start.

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        and Google used to care about not being evil.

        Corporations will ALWAYS enshittify a platform they control. It’s simply a matter of time.

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      i donno about other social networks but my fedi posts from 15 years ago are still up.

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        15 years ago, was the early days of twitter, the dying days of myspace, and the point where facebook first became dominant.

        You talking about one of those? Because zero chance your myspace are still up.

        And facebook/twitter? Ew.

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    Tech journalists never learn anything from history. No Vc-funded social media is good

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      Some VC funded social media is certainly less fascist than other VC funded social media.

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        Given everything we’ve seen over theast little while, including the process of non-profits getting taken over by their VC funded subsidiaries; that difference you see is almost certainly a matter of being at a different point in their respective profit timelines.

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      Mastodon should revamp the project’s website homepage and promote a mobile apps with the closest Twitter-like feel or maybe a page for it without giving too many options (so people trying to promote it would share the link and people who aren’t familiar with federation not think its weird “non-official” websites promoting multiple apps), these people just want convenience and most are mobile users. I wish most would go to Mastodon but there are so many barries going from something quick and convenient like Twitter to something like a Fediverse social media, I think Pixelfed catches this issue better of looking closer to what people are used to (in their case, an alternative to Instagram) than Mastodon (alternative to Twitter)

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        The default iPhone app and sign-up process for the main instance is pretty darn straight-forward. I’ve never been a Twitter guy so I can’t speak to functionality, but it seems fine to me already.