(Not taking Hormones yet actually, I want to but I also donāt want to grow boobs)
āBig pharma claims they are 5G blockers.ā
there are HRT combinations for being softer and less hairy but not growing boobs if thatās what you like
Yeah I found out from another commenter here, Iām now doing research into them.
I hope you donāt mind me asking, and I donāt want to cause any upset with my ignorance, but what is it that youāre looking for from hormones? Feel free to ignore the question if you donāt like it or canāt be bothered with it.
I want to have a more feminine body and appearance. There are many other changes too. Iām largely okay with most of them, just not growing breasts, I donāt really want that. Which is why Iām researching methods and combinations that reduce breast growth but still have all the other changes.
Thanks, itās very understanding of you to be so open. Only keep answering if youāre happy to, but Iām wondering if the breast growth thing just a personal preference or are there external factors, like is it about how other people see you?
Hormones do the heavy lifting of a medical gender transition. They change the fundamental machinery of your biology at a cellular level. The difference between the sexes is a lot less than most people realize, and the vast majority of differences are due to hormones, not genetics. Really all the Y chromosome does is tell the proto-ovaries to develop into testes. From there, male/female differentiation is all hormonal.
Changing your hormones changes so much. Itās honestly incredible how much they can do.
https://www.gendergp.com/hrt-timelines-hormones-effects/
They change muscle structure, fat distribution, skin texture and thickness. Testosterone causes trans menās voices to deepen and trans women to grow breasts. Estrogen gives you hips and curves. But it even changes things like where your body stores fat. A middle age trans woman will store some fat on her arms, just like cis women. Hormones change your sense of smell and your own body odor. The list goes on and on.
This is why I always push hard against the language that trans women are ābiologically male.ā Because it simply isnāt true. Hormones change cellular expression from one sexās form to the other. They even change how your body metabolizes medications. This is actually a big problem in treatment of trans people for non-transition related things. Some medications need to be dosed differently for men and women. An ignorant but well meaning doctor might say, āwell, trans women are biologically male, so Iāll give this trans woman a male dose.ā And they could kill her by doing that.
HRT doesnāt change some things. It can affect the size and shape of the skeleton if taken early enough. But even among adults, slight skeletal changes due occur over a long enough period of time. HRT wonāt change the macrostructure of entire organs. It wonāt change a penis to a vulva or vice versa. And while testosterone will cause facial hair growth in trans men, estrogen wonāt reverse facial hair that has already grown in for trans women.
The truth is that the vast majority of the population is a hormone prescription and maybe a bit of voice training/facial hair removal from passing as the opposite sex. The differences between male and female are a lot less than most people would like to believe. Ultimately, humans are not angler fish. We have a very low level of sexual dimorphism as a species. This low level of sexual dimorphism is what makes gender transition possible. Have some sympathy for the trans angler fish.
Thank you, thatās very informative indeed.
It makes the user look and feel more āfeminineā, if I understand correctly. Different kinds of hair growth, smoother skin, this sort of stuff. Depending on the age you start it changes the way your face and body develops, as well
Thanks.
Curious to see what kind of answers you get. I havenāt ever considered becoming trans, and donāt feel like I have identified in anyway other than a guy, but Iāve heard research shows testosterone blockers slow or can stop male pattern baldness from occuring/progressing. Being that out society has shifted from being extremely have to be fit all the time, I wonder if there are people who prefer to have their hair from youth and want to try it.
Thereās Finasteride which is used for this. It inhibits DHT specifically and not testosterone.
Testosterone blockers like Spironolactone would be problematic longterm because having low levels of both testosterone and estrogen comes with health risks like osteoporosis. And you can still get feminising effects like breast growth even if you donāt take estrogen. And it seems like most men would like to avoid that.
It does work though. Trans women on hormone replacement therapy usually donāt get male pattern baldness. Iāve had a bit before I started HRT and some of my hair has even grown back (thatās not guaranteed though).
Could I tune the 5g frequency just enough to get my ass a little fatter and my chest just barely large enough to fill out my dresses? I donāt need dramatic changes, just a lil help.
You have to submit a ticket
You can take whatever and if you keep your calories low (17 BMI letās say) nothing too big will grow. Human body is easily malleable with the right chemicals intake and exercise
Then in my view itās better to have small tits you can enlarge through implants with a skinny waist and muscle butt.
Itās not too easy but food addiction is more controllable than video games addiction in my view. I forget about food most of the time while gaming is like ājust one more turnā
Also lordosis remember the secret ingredient to successful only fans
~~At 5ā8" a BMI of 17 has you at 90 pounds. Being āaccustomedā to being dangerously thin just means youāre ignoring the warnign signs that your body is eating itself alive. ~~
Ok thatās on me for trusting random charts in a duck duck go search.
At 5ā8" (1.72m) with a BMI of 17, you would weigh 110.6lb (50.2kg), not 90lb (40.8kg)
I donāt know what BMI is dangerous or not, this is just what weight someone would actually be with that height and BMI.
math
BMI is weight/(height)Ā², with weight in kg and height in meters. Letās solve for the weight:
weight/(1.72)Ā² = 17
weight = 17 * (1.72)Ā²
weight = 17 * 2.9584
weight = 50.2928kg ā 110.6lb
Your math is so off, its around 120 pounds
Your numbers would mean BMI of like 14 š
Appreciate the effort I had to do to switch my brain to imperial units because you didnāt want to google it in 5 seconds
And be honest sis you just jelly and prolly wanna see my fabulous ab
17 BMI is like dangerously low lol, and would go beyond my already dangerous enough diet of 70% of my BMR. Iāll agree that itās better to have a big butt, but I dunno if I wanna go that extreme for it!
Itās only dangerous if your body is unaccustomed. I have been my whole life around that, even if I wanted not to, but then my bones are small. I can clamp fingers around my wrist easily itās just that small for some reason
If you canāt clamp your thumb and middle finger around the opposite wrist you probably are of bigger sort and your bones weigh and connect much more tissue at the same height
consider an equation of surface of the cylinder -> 2 * pi * r * h (idealized bone where we assume h is same among same height individuals) itās merely a puny linear scaling of the amount of tissues but still. One person radius of the bone 3 cm, second 4.5 cm will result in linear increase of 1.5 of tissues minus some constant stuff and other shapes.
So if my bones are x and yours 1.5x thicker then your weight will be less than 1.5 times of mine weight at the same height which is making the whole BMI thing a plain nonsense
And we havenāt even touched whether cm3 of fat weighs the same as cm3 of muscles (it doesnāt)
BMI is literally useless trash or even detrimental.
I have a better measure. If you can see abs in the mirror in the morning it means you have achieved the ultimate perfection of human form. Nothing more, nothing less.
Now you only need to maintain it for as long as you can as you age.And remember about rhabdo being a thing if you want to go for hours 7 days a week. If your pee turns brown it is doctor time
nice way to gamify eating disorders! totally not disturbing!
If you want to achieve perfection and ascend above mere mortals you canāt shy from the challenge. Human body is to be shaped as we desire, reflecting the inner resilience.
Anything else would do injustice to what we are.
I get what youāre doing and thatās totally your right to do whatever with your body, but you shouldnāt go around saying itās completely safe. Youāre taking a risk with your health that others should be made aware of when you choose to share advice.
nice way to erase fat people from the human experience. it totally doesnāt sound fashy at all
It would be nice if you learned how to read
Just because facists liked twisted Nietzsche doesnāt mean they get to keep him hostage forever
I can clamp fingers around my wrist easily itās just that small for some reason
So can I but Iām not hella low BMI.
I can pretty easily clamp my wrists with my thumb and ring finger, so I think our bodytypes may be similar. That being said, I think soft belly > abs, and your level of training would might actually kill me.
They need to work on those 5G towers, they donāt affect me TwT
Brb gotta go take down the Faraday cage Iāve been sleeping in so the towers can feminize me :3
oh I wish sooooooooooo much to be prtti <3
I have to take off my tinfoil to be pretty?
I donāt think the tinfoil was doing anything to begin with.
If you donāt want boobs, you could take raloxifene alongside estradiol to get feminization without much or any breast growth.
I didnāt even know that was a thing. In the past Iāve been told I should just embrace boobs and that there is no way. Time to do some research on that see if maybe itās something I could do.
Sorry for the bookā¦
This is anecdotal and varies highly by person, but Iāll drop my experience here since raloxifene reports are still few and far between (and I was recently searching far and wide for them). Ralox was relatively effective for me but not perfect, but I do owe the initiation of my hrt journey to it. Overall I would say that it isnāt a long term solution, but it can be a useful tool in determining what is right for you.
As a non-binary transfem person, I initially went on Ralox along with E (and Spiro) about 1.5 years ago. R blocked (or at least slowed) the majority of my boob growth for basically the whole year I was on it, paired with E doses of under about 6mg taken orally (or only 2mg E taken sublingually due to higher metabolized peaks). E doses higher than that tended to overpower Ralox and I would notice chest sensitivity within a few days, guiding me to lower my E. (Fwiw I did this āexperimentationā with my doctorās approval and under their care).
Within those ranges, my chest had minor growth but it was largely due to general fat redistribution (for note I am a fairly avg body type/weight), I would say that I stayed within the Tanner stage 1 or beginnings of stage 2. This would be the sweet spot (for me) to avoid any real breast growth. My ass however, got thicc pretty fast - which was honestly amazing to watch grow lol.
Eventually I really started to love being on E, and my brain and body wanted more of it lol. I began on 6mg E taken sublingually, and rather quickly saw some boob growth (bumping me into tanner 3), but theyā¦ sorta grew on me? Before long I dropped ralox entirely and am now leaning fully into E š .
All in all I am happy that I started off with Raloxifene + E, primarily because it gave me the comfort I needed to start E at all. Once on E for a while, it really rewired my brain and made me realize my hold-up on having breasts was largely due to social fears of transition. Itās still scary and hard sometimes, but Iām so much more self-confident just through the biochemical benefits that the E therapy has provided. I still donāt want large breasts by any means, but itās no longer a big concern of mine in the big picture of my transition.
Sorry again for hijacking this thread, I just felt compelled to share in hopes that it may assist in someoneās journey!
Donāt worry, I appreciate people sharing their experience, especially since Ralox is new and doesnāt have a lot of studies yet, so learning about peopleās experience with it is very helpful.
Is there anything that does the opposite?
By opposite, Iām assuming you mean breast growth with no other feminizing changes? That I am not sure about how to achieve. Off the top of my head, Iām thinking that one could maybe go on a T blocker and/or estradiol for a while, and then stop. The breasts should still persist despite stopping, although they may shrink somewhat. Aside from that there is also breast augmentation surgery.
By opposite I meant feminization but more boobs, but I realize thatās not the āexactā opposite. Iāve been on HRT for nearly two years now, but boobage is small :(
Unfortunately thereās no magic pill that can cause bigger boob growth. Everyone has a certain genetic potential for boob growth, and that gets activated to the fullest extent possible after a prolonged period of estrogen and perhaps progesterone. If there was some pill that could drastically increase the breast size of people that already have estrogen-dominated biologies, then the breast implant industry would not exist. If you could just take a pill to make your boobs as big as you want, who would want to go through the pain, expense, risk, and artificiality of implants? Implants would be used for breast reconstruction after breast-cancer treating mastectomies, but thatās about it.
Yeah I know. Realistically thereās nothing that can be done. Iād get a BA but I have other surgeries that have higher priority. Or hopefully in another few years, theyāll grow more.
Ask your endo about adding progesterone.
Iāve been on progesterone for almost a year :)
Oh sorry I assumed wrong. In that case progesterone could help, as someone else has already mentioned. Iām on prog and I think itās helped somewhat. It makes me eepy though so I primarily use it as a sleeping pill now lol
Iāve been on progesterone for almost a year, I should have mentioned. It didnāt help at all with the size but maybe a bit the shape. Anyways I switched to cycling it since itās a PITA to take (literally) and it doesnāt benefit me much.
FWIW itās probably genetic because nobody in my family has big knockers and mine are probably a B cup at best. I just wish for bigger ones š®āšØ
Same here, nearly 1 year on prog. I think it helped more with shape and didnāt do much with size as well. There is oral progesterone available though, if you donāt want to take the suppository ones.
And as cool as gargantuan genuines are, smaller breasts are still beautiful too, and they donāt cause back pain either, so thatās nice at least.
Yeah Iām awareā¦ From my understanding, taking it via suppository is better for absorption. And itās fine, itās just if Iām not getting much of a benefit from it (which I feel I would have seen after 9 months of taking it), I donāt see a reason to continue taking it every day. So I take it for 10 days at the start of every month. Doing it that way still helps with my libido and stuff but I donāt have to take it every day.
But I agree, there are pros and cons to both. I just want them to be a liiiiittle bigger, yknow? :) Maybe thatāll happen in time though, 2 years is still early.
im jus gonnaā¦ hide dis post, it meks me sad ;(
