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    Maybe it’s time you guys rewrote your constitution into something more modern instead of treating the old one as a holy scripture handed down from Olympus.

    But I doubt that’ll ever happen.

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    America was built on the ideas of freedom and equality by slave owners who didn’t think women should be allowed to vote.

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      Don’t forget they were also terrified of democracy. The Senate is one of the most comically anti-democratic institutions ever concocted. Wyoming has as much power as California. I mean it beggars belief that anyone but a complete imbecile could agree to something like that.

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        It’s not democratic from a person level, but it is more democratic from a state level. At the time they hadn’t quite figured out if they wanted to be a country or a collection of states that sometimes work together.

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          Democracy is a system of government whose power is vested by the people (“demos”). Notice that the Senate does not legislate on behalf of people. Instead, it represents the interests of random land masses (clusters of zip codes). It is exactly as stupid as it sounds and the exact opposite of democracy.

          You are right that these arguments were at the forefront during the formation of the US. In fact, one of the main arguments by proponents of the senate was that democracy was literally unacceptable. “Government by the people for the people? What gives these people the right…” etcetera. If you want quotes I’ll dig them up, but that was the vibe.

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          The first two political parties were formed around that very debate.

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        The founding fathers were correct. A pure democracy is also known as mob rule. Anytime you can get 51% to agree with you, you can do whatever you like.

        If 51% vote to take the homes of black people, that’s decided and done.

        Which is why modern democracies are all some form of representative democracy. Which in theory is supposed to act as a sort of check and balance on the system.

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      But they got it started and we changed some things. We just didn’t change enough, or perhaps changed the wrong things.

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    A lot of people are being shown that a lot of stuff that kept their country going was decorum, shame and tradition, not rule of law.

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      Interesting take on The Social Contract.

      But basically when your entire socoety is disingenuous to some extent, shit falls apart eventually.

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    When I was growing up, they told us the US was the greatest country in the world. Now that I’m older, I realize it’s one of the worst in the Western world in nearly every statistic.

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    Regulatory capture and citizens united both exist to undo those checks and balances. No system is immune to corruption.

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      Interestingly the US system was always more vulnerable to corruption, and everyone knew it. Our executive branch is far too powerful. That’s why when the US has engaged in nation building they never install governments like ours. Germany, Japan, Iraq, etc. the pentagon always insists on a parliamentary system, because they’re better in every way (less prone to grid lock, less prone to tyranny of the minority, weaker executive, etc.).

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    My teacher in middle school did specifically call out that it would take a project over several decades to co-opt the system.

    Well, they’ve been going after the judgeships for decades.

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    Checks and balances wasn’t about avoiding fascism.

    It was to make sure all three branches of governments stayed in power over the body politic.

    And they still are in power.

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    Chink in that armor was allow people without education, attention, and just plain common sense to vote

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      Kinda why the Electoral College exists.

      But it was too cool to hate on it.

      Because the people running the game know without it the game becomes who has the best propaganda.

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        Well, as you have seen, the game of propaganda was won by the ignorant, dark visioned, loudmouthed clowns