I have no confidence that Tesla will fix this before the planned Robo-Taxi rollout in Austin in 2 weeks.
After all, they haven’t fixed it in the last 9 years that self-driving Teslas have been on the road.
So motorcyclists weren’t enough, they’re going after kids now? Did they move their headquarters to israel?
rofl
Let’s not get carried away pretending America cares too much about children dying frfr.
Yeah once they’re out of the womb, fuck 'em. We only care about the unborn.
They don’t actually care about the unborn either. They just want women to suffer, that’s always been the only goal.
Yeah the draconian punishment and outcry when someone dares to overtake a school bus is absolutely laughable.
Give that child chance to be shot the next day in school! Or starve to death, because they can’t afford school lunches.
If we did the Carolina Lean is a bigger threat than Elon, but somehow that’s legal in most states.
Texas releasing these things in public is horrifying. Tesla is last in this field, and refuses to add LIDAR, which is obviously what is needed.
My $60 robot vacuum has lidar…
Maybe you can get a business going mounting roombas on Tesla bumpers?
Call it clean energy
I award you the dubious honor of “Best Pun on the Thread”
Lidar is one of the things it needs, but even when they properly see what’s ahead they don’t interpret it correctly and don’t take the correct actions, it’s bigger than just lidar, which is honestly terrifying
The children were hamas obviously
They were behind white genocide in South Africa
“And if you don’t support killing them, you support terrorists, mmmkaaaaayyyy” — Bill Maher
Not unexpected.
They should throw in a loony tunes landscape for extra comedic value.
Mark Rober already did that.
Elon is not going to personally take responsibility for his cars?
These accidents could be the dell knell for Tesla with the lawsuits that will follow
Hooray for the free market!
I’m sure all the dead children would have been proud to be collateral damage for such an important event!
ok maybe this is easier to address: is there any safety test that a self driving Tesla doesn’t fail?
They’re very effective at preventing pregnancy and STIs.
I heard it in health class a bajillion times, so as a reminder, abstinence is the only effective birth cont- oh wait, no, no, Teslas are very effective at preventing pregnancy and STIs.
How the fuck, will this get the go ahead? In the US you can sue anyone for anything, how long before a class action gets filed against Tesla and their death traps?
Tesla owns the gov rn, litigation against tesla will be domestic terorism
Oh don’t worry, the grifters will all have cashed out and be floating away on golden parachutes long after the decades of litigation is over.
Waymo, which I think grew out of the original Google self-driving car project, has been operating robo-taxis for several years. They’re available in San Francisco, Los Angeles, and a few more cities. I wonder how they did on the schoolbus test. Not able to find anything online about that. They use different car manufacturers from China, UK, Germany, and it looks like one of them (Jaguar Land Rover) is owned or partly owned by Ford. So data about the individual cars is kind of hard to track down.
Atlanta is the latest launch city, they are all white Jaguar i-Paces.
Waymo had non-standard stop-signs figured out six years ago XD Feels essential to running a half-way responsible autonomous car service?
These things need tires.
Tires are rubber.
Texas has a lot of guns.
You can literally wear a mask and just put tape over a couple cameras while it’s stopped at a light and the whole thing will just freak out. Spray paint is probably even faster.
Faster to apply and much harder to remove.
Luckily you can sabotage a robot car the same way you can sabotage a normal car. Actually there’s more ways than a normal car.
Continue…
This one is pretty unforgivable. Supposedly the ability to detect these situations was added in December (according to the article) but it’s clearly not working very well. Something like this should 100% pause the rollout of robo-taxis.
For normal cars though, the drivers should press the brakes to disable FSD when they see their car not slowing down when approaching a stopped bus like this.
Except the big danger with fully self driving cars is that drivers are not paying attention at all as they have nothing to do most of the time. They’ll be on their phones regardless of what theyre supposed to do and that will cause deaths. So such a glaring safety flaw will have numerous opportunities to happen in real life - humans do not make good safety features in cars; thats what the self drive stuff was for.
Teslas self drive technology is not fit for the roads regardless of this. Musk had sensors stripped out pf the cars design to save money because apparently he knows better than all the worlds self drive engineers. The guy is a just an investment bro woth a huge ego - he can’t let the people hes investing in get onwith it, because he sees himself as a “genius”. The guys a moron.
Linus tech tips recently reviewed a car with semi auto self driving. It can keep you in the lane and at the right speed. He said it’s perfect for school zones because he knows he doesn’t have to watch the Speedo and give that extra attention to watching for kids walking out. I have to agree with him, there is a school on my commute and the speed drops to 20mph. I let the car do that bit while I worry about little (or sometimes big) feet.
Would I trust that system to spot a child before I do? Not a chance.
That’s why I use the speed limiter in residential areas. I can’t drive faster so I don’t have to check the speed. But when I take my foot of the pedal, the car slows down.
Outside residential area and on highway I use the adaptive cruise control.
They’ll be on their phones regardless of what theyre supposed to do and that will cause deaths.
So no different to in non self-driving cars then.
They know these things are going to kill people; it’s just inevitable.
Engineers are well aware of there being a cost-benefit analysis for saving human lives. O’Grady from Practical Engineering did a great video explaining how much a human life is worth to engineers. I think it was a little under $60k.
The purpose of reducing government oversight as much as possible is so that the cost of killing people is as low as possible.
It’s not an on/off switch of government regulation. They know that every additional policy they can shift in their favor will translate to increased profits down the line as people inevitably die from these things.
Some of you may die~
But it’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.
Fight Club taught me the cost of human life to corporations.
If PredictedLawsuitLosses < CostOfRecall then RecallNotAnnounced
Human life doesn’t factor in at all for them.
Human life absolutely factors into predicted lawsuit losses. Wrongful death lawsuits are expensive.
What I meant is they don’t care about people as people.
It’s just a number to them.
If they can profit of millions dying and they know they could get away with it, they would.
But not expensive enough to stop them killing people through negligence and greed.
This is why capitalists align with fascists.
Google, Meta, etc, are all taking the knee, because no regulation lets them slurp up our data. Target is shooting itself in the foot on DEI to appease stupid Mussolini, because a fascist autocrat doesn’t enforce labor protections.
Fascism, at its core, is an alignment between government and corporations. Capitalists align with fascism because that’s the entire point of fascism.
Damn, must suck living in the US
I lived there for six-ish years- from 1998 until 2004.
When Americans re-elected GWB, I realized “this place is RAPIDLY becoming a shithole that’s only going to get worse.” I got the hell out as soon as I was able, and every single day since, I’ve been more relieved I left when I did.
I’d be down if and when they do better than human drivers. Until then, there’s trains.
They hate trains…“THERE IS ONLY TWO GENDERS!”
The problem is, it’s already better than the worst human drivers, it’s just that that’s too low a bar. It’s a looong way away from being better than the best human drivers (think taxi and bus drivers who do it every day, or police who actually go through extra vehicle handling training)
I would generally agree with that statement but it seems the spirit of this thread is solidly in opposition. It would be make/model dependent, and Tesla has demonstrated their lack of safety.
It would be make/model dependent
I’m specially talking about Tesla’s FSD/Autopilot.
While getting a demo of FSD from a friend, their Model 3 correctly stopped at a red light, and 30 seconds later a car ran right through it in the next lane over. That’s how low the bar is for “worst human driver”. Tbh, that human shouldn’t have been on the road if they’re driving past stopped cars through a red light.I would asset your anecdote is definitely not proof positive of Tesla FSD being better than humans statistically, but it’s true that most public sentiment is inaccurate in assessing their FSD as either flawless or a murder-suicide mobile.
I’ve been behind the wheel when FSD was going to run a red light for me, twice in the same trip. It does perform impressively well most of the time, and if I could wave a magic wand, I’d put Tesla software in a more reputable brand’s car with LIDAR. Musk is a moron for going cameras only (and about fifty other things).
On the bright side, maybe this is building up to an “owner of the Segway company”-type ending?
