Alright where are all the YouTube premium apologetics that keep appearing everytime someone discusses any sort of Ad-blocker?!
What do you guys have to say now?!
As long as it have good value to me I will use it. The same as with other services.
The thing is I don’t mostly mind paying for having YouTube without ads, but I would prefer if it didn’t have anything to do with Google in the first place.
I’m continuing apologising for premium exclusively because it pays creators more, and more consistently. I never go on the internet without all the adblocks possible, the sight of an add makes me irrationally angry. I’m still paying for premium
If i paid money to every the patreon of every content creator that I want to support, it’d be a lot more money than youtube premium. Better believe ill be cancelling premium the very first ad I see though.
You throwing $12 a month or whatever towards patreons is strictly better than throwing $12 a month towards premium if what you care about is the creators getting paid
I used to be in the same boat as OP, but since trying to degoogle I (obvioisly) stopped buying Premium and instead buy into Patreon of select creators. If there was some sort of degoogled Youtube Premium that would go towards support of people I watch, I’d much rather opt for that (obviously a very theoretical proposition) - I can support only so many via Patreon, even if all would have a 1$ tier.
Of course, when buying Premium part of my motivation was my comfort. It was comfortable support via Premium or uncomfortable support via ads. Patreon is fine but you can’t feasibly pay for one for every creator who’s video you watched
Doesn’t Patreon then take a cut? What’s the difference? (Fee % might, haven’t checked to be fair)
I’m supporting one creator via Patreon and got merch from another one (and have tried channel memberships), however this doesn’t really scale.
merch is only really great when one needs whatever is offered anyways
Patreon is nice, but requires explicit effort and regular payments for each channel
So from that perspective, having creators being payed more per-view is actually a nice, convenient effect and will cover channels that might otherwise get nothing.
I’d like to have something like this for the general internet - pay some monthly fee, no more ads and websites, news sites etc all get some share (that is ultimatively more than what the ads would’ve given them in the first place).
okay the adderall is kicking in so, sorry if this is a massive wall of text, but since you asked, adblockers are great, I never use the web without one when I can, but ads are only one part of why i pay for YouTube.
here are all my reasons:
easy adless YouTube on non-android smart TV
YouTube music (dont have to pay for Spotify)
auto background video downloading to save on mobile data when I leave the house
supports more creators (albeit in smaller amounts) than I could ever afford to support via patreon or merch (and supports them directly proportionally to how much I watch thier content, so I never risk paying a creator that ive lost interest in or forgetting to add a creator’s patreon)
I would never try to convince someone else to pay for YouTube, it’s defintily not for everyone, especially when a decent adblocker will satisfy most people. But for some people like me, it just makes sense, and I don’t understand why some people get so mad to learn I’m paying for it.
Google is a gross company for sure, hell except for YouTube ive pretty much completly degoogled my life. I can use Plex for movies and shows, Proton for mail and calandar, magic earth for GPS, Firefox and DDG for search, etc. but there isnt a good replacement for YouTube especially since its one of my main hobbies. peertube and other video hosting sites really just dont compare for my usecase
ofc I think its shitty that theyre trialing showing ads to premium users in Germany, but honestly that would barely affect me if it was happening where I live. I use adblockers everywhere except my TV, so most of the time it’d be impossible for me to see an ad whether YouTube tried to serve me one or not.
if you were genuinly asking what people who pay for YouTube have to say about this, I hope that answered your question
I appreciate your nuanced answer. That’s something a lot of “why not just pay for YouTube premium” guys don’t
You raised good points and if you’re happy to pay for the convenience, I’m not going to fight you on that.
While I don’t fully agree with paying for a service that doesn’t listen to their customers(bring back dislikes), I can still see where you’re coming from.
thanks, I appreciate your response too. I wasn’t sure what to expect when I wrote it lol but this response was a pleasant surprise
I will admit that I never really engaged with likes/dislikes, so while I was annoyed on a conceptual level when they removed dislikes it didnt really affect me. I might feel differently about paying youtube if that wasn’t the case.
I wasn’t aware when I wrote this that there were so many people who respond to simple complaints about ads with “just buy premium”, that was a total blindspot for me. Most comments ive seen about it (before reading comments on this thread, dear god) were more similar to mine, albeit more brief.
at risk of overgeneralizing, I think anyone who pays for YouTube /just/ for the ads (while watching mostly on PC or android), is probably an idiot. adblock is trivial to set up on those platforms and will likely soon prove to be more effective at preventing ads than paying for YouTube. its upsetting the sheer amount of people that will give money to evil corporations just to avoid having to think at all about what theyre consuming, and if thats really the loud majority of people who pay for YouTube then I can defintily understand the negative interactions ive had in the past.
this has been an enlightening discussion for me, thanks for that!
I have a youtube premium account. Used to just use u-block but my computer is non-functional and I now primarily consume media on my ipad so I got a subscription. So far I have not had any ads. Working on getting a new pc and coming back to the light
You can download Firefox and install Ublock on the mobile app, then just go to YouTube.com. That’s how I usually do it on my android phone anyway; I assume it works for iOS too
I would absolutely love to do this but I am nearly tech illiterate. I use firefox already and poked around on ublock origin’s site but I dont know how to install extensions or whatever on ipad and I didnt see anything obvious in the settings on firefox. Any recommendations?
Uhh I don’t care who doesn’t pay for YTP or just blocks them, seems like an odd thing to care about?
I do have grandfathered $7/mo GPM (YTM) which comes with free YTP and I’ve yet to see ads at all. I don’t even get ads on my linked gaming YT account. This kinda seems like misinformation?
If you think paying $10+ for Spotify instead of $7 YTM+YTP then yes, you are a fucking idiot.
Alright where are all the YouTube premium apologetics that keep appearing everytime someone discusses any sort of Ad-blocker?! What do you guys have to say now?!
No ads so far here but I definitely will cancel Premium if I start seeing ads. That’s literally the only thing I’m paying for.
Same. No ads yet but will cancel and delete if they start showing up.
Been slowly moving over to Nebula anyway.
As long as it have good value to me I will use it. The same as with other services.
The thing is I don’t mostly mind paying for having YouTube without ads, but I would prefer if it didn’t have anything to do with Google in the first place.
I would prefer it not be owned by Google as well, though that wouldn’t really change the economics of the situation.
These are screenshots and don’t prove anything.
I’m continuing apologising for premium exclusively because it pays creators more, and more consistently. I never go on the internet without all the adblocks possible, the sight of an add makes me irrationally angry. I’m still paying for premium
most creators have patreons or sell merch. youtube doesn’t get a cut from that so you can support more directly!
If i paid money to every the patreon of every content creator that I want to support, it’d be a lot more money than youtube premium. Better believe ill be cancelling premium the very first ad I see though.
You throwing $12 a month or whatever towards patreons is strictly better than throwing $12 a month towards premium if what you care about is the creators getting paid
They’re lying to themselves. Probably some small part of them cares about supporting creators, but it’s not their main motivation.
I used to be in the same boat as OP, but since trying to degoogle I (obvioisly) stopped buying Premium and instead buy into Patreon of select creators. If there was some sort of degoogled Youtube Premium that would go towards support of people I watch, I’d much rather opt for that (obviously a very theoretical proposition) - I can support only so many via Patreon, even if all would have a 1$ tier.
Of course, when buying Premium part of my motivation was my comfort. It was comfortable support via Premium or uncomfortable support via ads. Patreon is fine but you can’t feasibly pay for one for every creator who’s video you watched
You’ve just invented something I would use.
Doesn’t Patreon then take a cut? What’s the difference? (Fee % might, haven’t checked to be fair)
I’m supporting one creator via Patreon and got merch from another one (and have tried channel memberships), however this doesn’t really scale.
So from that perspective, having creators being payed more per-view is actually a nice, convenient effect and will cover channels that might otherwise get nothing. I’d like to have something like this for the general internet - pay some monthly fee, no more ads and websites, news sites etc all get some share (that is ultimatively more than what the ads would’ve given them in the first place).
okay the adderall is kicking in so, sorry if this is a massive wall of text, but since you asked, adblockers are great, I never use the web without one when I can, but ads are only one part of why i pay for YouTube.
here are all my reasons:
I would never try to convince someone else to pay for YouTube, it’s defintily not for everyone, especially when a decent adblocker will satisfy most people. But for some people like me, it just makes sense, and I don’t understand why some people get so mad to learn I’m paying for it.
Google is a gross company for sure, hell except for YouTube ive pretty much completly degoogled my life. I can use Plex for movies and shows, Proton for mail and calandar, magic earth for GPS, Firefox and DDG for search, etc. but there isnt a good replacement for YouTube especially since its one of my main hobbies. peertube and other video hosting sites really just dont compare for my usecase
ofc I think its shitty that theyre trialing showing ads to premium users in Germany, but honestly that would barely affect me if it was happening where I live. I use adblockers everywhere except my TV, so most of the time it’d be impossible for me to see an ad whether YouTube tried to serve me one or not.
if you were genuinly asking what people who pay for YouTube have to say about this, I hope that answered your question
I appreciate your nuanced answer. That’s something a lot of “why not just pay for YouTube premium” guys don’t
You raised good points and if you’re happy to pay for the convenience, I’m not going to fight you on that.
While I don’t fully agree with paying for a service that doesn’t listen to their customers(bring back dislikes), I can still see where you’re coming from.
edit: sorry for the wall of text again lol
thanks, I appreciate your response too. I wasn’t sure what to expect when I wrote it lol but this response was a pleasant surprise
I will admit that I never really engaged with likes/dislikes, so while I was annoyed on a conceptual level when they removed dislikes it didnt really affect me. I might feel differently about paying youtube if that wasn’t the case.
I wasn’t aware when I wrote this that there were so many people who respond to simple complaints about ads with “just buy premium”, that was a total blindspot for me. Most comments ive seen about it (before reading comments on this thread, dear god) were more similar to mine, albeit more brief.
at risk of overgeneralizing, I think anyone who pays for YouTube /just/ for the ads (while watching mostly on PC or android), is probably an idiot. adblock is trivial to set up on those platforms and will likely soon prove to be more effective at preventing ads than paying for YouTube. its upsetting the sheer amount of people that will give money to evil corporations just to avoid having to think at all about what theyre consuming, and if thats really the loud majority of people who pay for YouTube then I can defintily understand the negative interactions ive had in the past.
this has been an enlightening discussion for me, thanks for that!
I have a youtube premium account. Used to just use u-block but my computer is non-functional and I now primarily consume media on my ipad so I got a subscription. So far I have not had any ads. Working on getting a new pc and coming back to the light
You can download Firefox and install Ublock on the mobile app, then just go to YouTube.com. That’s how I usually do it on my android phone anyway; I assume it works for iOS too
No no no no, you’re supposed to use the app on mobile devices. There are no browser pages in mobile Ba Sing Se /s
Last time I tried, I couldn’t install add-ons on Firefox on the iPad. Because Firefox on iPad is just safari with a coat of paint.
All browsers on iPad and iPhone are just safari with a coat of paint to be fair.
I wouldn’t mind so much is uBlock Origin was available for safari, but it’s not, so I will have to go for one of the dodgy knockoffs…
It does, I use adblocks, Untrap, DeArrow, and SponsorBlock on iOS safari, and I don’t see shit other than the video itself.
I would absolutely love to do this but I am nearly tech illiterate. I use firefox already and poked around on ublock origin’s site but I dont know how to install extensions or whatever on ipad and I didnt see anything obvious in the settings on firefox. Any recommendations?
I have yt premium because my view counts as 1000x an ad supported view does.
I still end up using yt-dlp because playback in firefox is ass.
Uhh I don’t care who doesn’t pay for YTP or just blocks them, seems like an odd thing to care about?
I do have grandfathered $7/mo GPM (YTM) which comes with free YTP and I’ve yet to see ads at all. I don’t even get ads on my linked gaming YT account. This kinda seems like misinformation?
If you think paying $10+ for Spotify instead of $7 YTM+YTP then yes, you are a fucking idiot.
I had GPM and never got YTP. Switched o Tidal becuse YTM keeps repeating songs. I’ve had a song go 6 times in sequence.
So, shitty product, shitty support (see blackmail video claims), shitty creator compensation. Goodbye Google.
This is exactly why I just switched to Tidal. And I had the grandfathered price. It’s just not worth it for a shitty product.
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