I have never received one of these screens with this One Neat Trick:
I disabled the TPM in UEFI settings.
Beautiful.
Aww your poor wittle pc is unhealthy! It just needs some rest and some fluids.
It’s cool while it works. But these options are not going to be provided forever in newer hardware. Recent example I saw is the absense of AHCI option in new laptops (you now need additional drivers just to reinstall Windows manually). We need to keep developing software solutions to software problems.
This is the fucking way
In the 90s this was hacker shit. You’d do this shit to, like, break into the pentagon or something.
Fucking cringe cyberpunk; everybody’s a hacker, because theres no other way to see your fucking calendar.
Aren’t you using the TPM for full disk encryption, though? Or are you entering your BitLocker Password at every boot?
I use full-disk encryption on my Debian, and I honestly don’t see what’s wrong with entering your passphrase on boot.
There doesn’t have to be anything wrong with it, though I seem to remember that BitLocker isn’t all that difficult to break if your passphrase isn’t long enough. I just found it a bit weird because unlocking via TPM very much feels like the standard solution under Windows.
also windows 10 requires tpm for passkeys
Aren’t these screens from the article specifically for unsupported devices, like those without TPM?
Is it not disgraceful that you have to use a trick so some third party company doesn’t install software you don’t want on your hardware? I think that’s appalling!
Oh it looks like your PC is not supported because you turned off single option in UEFI. Go to this link and buy your new Windows 11 PC today!
Sounds like a good idea to disable a security feature to not be reminded of the EOL of the software you’re using /s
I’m not a marketing person but maybe they should try making an OS people actually want.
They do this every 4-5 years. Nobody is ever bothered enough to cause a problem for Microsoft’s bottom line.
I don’t remember anyone being excited for a version of Windows since 7. 8 and 8.1 were universally hated, a lot of people clung to 7 until they absolutely had to upgrade to 10, and now they’re clinging to 10 as long as they can. I seriously doubt there’s an upcoming release of Windows people will genuinely like and want, because there’s no money in doing that.
Yeah, but even before that…people were only excited about 7 because of how much of a dumpster fire Vista was. And prior to XP (which Vista replaced), most people didn’t care about OS versions at all.
Win10 with Classic Shell is good enough for me… Until I have to dig into the control panel and dick around with any network settings harder than “hurrr durrr SSID and password goes here”. Luckily Simple IP Config does all the heavy lifting for me on that front.
But hey, having to use third party utilities to make my OS usable is just The Microsoft Way at this point.
I have way less patience for it than you do; I bailed out a few weeks into owning a Windows 8.1 laptop. I’ve been a full time Linux user for 10 years now.
8.1 was fine imo, but not really worth an upgrade from 7 unless it was free.
I wonder if no one in the head of such a big company wonders if the fact that an increasing amount of people not wanting to move to their newer versions means that they’re maybe, you know, just maybe, doing something that people don’t want?
They don’t care as long as their software is quasi-mandatory.
I was excited for 10. I had 8 on my college laptop
We need to wait for the next version, 12 or wherever. Every other Windows version is “good”
Yeah, it definitely has the Star Trek movie curse.
Each only in comparison to its predecessor, though. I still think Windows 7 was the last version to get out of its users’ way and just let them use their computer; everything since then has been worse than 7 in some subtle way.
They do. It’s called Windows 10 LTSC.
Why would they do that when people use this one all the same?
Got to say they convinced me at last and I finally upgraded.
…to linuxNever.Going.Back.
Yep. The other day it rewrote a registry key that prevented these pop ups. I’m out. Debating which Debian distro to go to now.
Debian is the slow reliable. Go with mint for easy, Debian for completely foss, pop! OS for eaay nvidia drivers, or Ubuntu for… Uh… Ubuntu.
Ubuntu is good for if you want Snap packages forced on you. It is a shame, Ubuntu was my first distro, but I don’t think I would ever use it again.
I recommend OpenSuse Tumbleweed if you want stuff to be very up to date (we got the xz backdoor first! yay!) but also easy and stable. And KDE Plasma is pretty good these days. Linux Mint is also good but it’s a bit slower with the updates.
I tried a few, Fedora, LMDE(Linux Mint Debian Edition), and EndeavourOS.
I’d say LMDE if you want a rock solid system, being fundamentally Debian Stable with Mint treatment for user friendliness, or Endeavour if you want bleeding edge updates (and of course bragging rights to join the meme by saying “BTW I use arch”)
I gotta say, I’ve distro hopped a lot over the years…finally caved to try EndeavorOS and it’s my new favorite, if only for the AUR.
Same! I started with Ubuntu back in the days and was shocked how weirdly bad it is nowadays when I was forced to use it at my current project with the client’s laptop. I mean the happy path is still all fun and easy but after having Ubuntu installed, it’s almost like a Windows experience trying to get stuff installed vs. having AUR available :D
Debian 12 itself isn’t bad
The other day it rewrote a registry key that prevented these pop ups.
This is what drove me away. There are like 7 people that figured out how to make these pop-ups disappear and Microsoft invested money to “patch” that “error” to ensure they were forced to continue seeing these ads.
I like Mint
I like mint. Everyone says it beginner friendly, like in a bad way, but stuff just working sounds good to me.
Yea I installed it for my wife and she never has to second guess anything, she knows where to find what she’s looking for and whatever it is, it just works. It’s weird that this feels almost off, right ? stuff “just working”
I have to give huge thank you to Valve for making gaming on Linux actually a valid option. I’ve been mainly a Linux user since 2006 but always had to have a dual-boot setup for gaming. Seeing the progress on Proton, I decided a year or two ago that Windows 10 was going to be the last one I’ll have on my PC and since my SSD died a couple of months ago, I didn’t even bother to preserve the Win10 installation anymore.
Funnily enough on my front page, the next link below this post was “Microsoft starts testing ads in the Windows 11 Start Menu”. I think that pretty much sums it up why I don’t want to even try to mess with the thing anymore. It’s been a good run and Windows has improved A LOT since XP days but oh dear god all the data harvesting nowadays…
If only they didn’t intentionally give up compatibility with 250 million PCs by introducing artificial CPU requirements, then adoption rate would be higher…
But blackrock and vanguard (they control ~15% of Microsoft, Intel, AMD) really needed to increase their profits by selling more CPUs…
Also it didn’t help that until October 2023 the taskbar was completely broken and unusable, people like me forbid the installation of the os in the company for that reason alone
the taskbar still broken and unusable.
icons straight up disappear when you switch virtual desktops using the touchpad, tray icons sometimes don’t show up, messing with some things can cause an explorer crashOn my end, the icons disappearing happens sometimes when switching with the keyboard. Also, I happen to use full labels on the taskbar items (like on 95 to vista) and they’re all sorts of broken, especially when changing virtual desktops.
Also, despite having quite beefy hardware (Ryzen 9 + 4090), I can’t use an image as wallpaper (only a solid colour) otherwise changing virtual desktops has like a inexplicable 1 second lag after pressing the shortcut keys.
This is the kinda shit people would give up on Linux for.
This is what finally pushed me fully over the edge to Linux on my main PC. Nothing wrong with it but they just don’t like it.
I don’t mind upgrading but windows won’t allow me… MacOS looks not bad. Or linux
Uhh, Vanguard and Blackrock are ETF providers, those stocks are assets under management
They don’t “control” anything about those companies.
What do you mean by the taskbar being unusable? I used it on my windows 11 laptop way before october 2023.
Combined icons make the computer unusable for who has multiple windows open from the same application.
For example if you constantly have to switch between 5 excel files you can’t directly click on which you need
It’s the reason I can’t stand MacOS at all
I mean, not defending Win11 here, it has lots of other issues, but I’d just put each excel sheet on a different virtual desktop and switch with the keyboard. Always felt that clicking was a bit inefficient anyway.
Well, you can’t directly click, but all you need to do is hover for half a second, then click the window you want (which open up above). It’s a non-issue.
Is the order always the same? But still, it’s quite human to be disturbed by it. A website that loads longer than 200ms is perceived as slow. 500ms on a desktop action is considered slow, so it is an issue for some. Can’t just dismiss it because for you it’s fine. Not everybody’s you.
I mean I didn’t check how long it actually takes, it’s not 500ms.
It opens quick, but I can’t find the default value (you can change the behavior via registry), but it’s definitely less than half a second. Especially when you’re already hovering down there it appears near instant for me.
And let’s be honest: The only reason why multiple icons worked back in the day was because the name of the open workbook was next to it. So you had “(Excel) My Workbook 123.xlsx” in your taskbar. Which ended up as a mess when you had several programs open. Now you have one Excel icon, you hover over it and you see all your open workbooks as a preview so you select the one you want. It’s definitely cleaner.
It keeps the order in which it was open, it’s not 500ms, and we can certainly dismiss someone that says something is unusable when it is in fact usable just not in the way they like.
Sure, that’s not ideal, but it’s far from unusable. I’ve used the combined icons since windows 10 wqs released and never had any issues. It works fine for me.
You still can’t make it narrow or move it to the sides of the screen either. It sucks at work at 1080p because the taskbar takes up half the screen it’s so massive.
Yeah, maybe a few delusional shit heads making insane decisions for absurd reasons completely insulated from reality by a thousand layers of abstraction isnt good and we should just count anything run this way as already dead?
Lin…UX?!
Are they spamming people with this on computers they know don’t meet system requirements?
You better believe they are. I get it about every other month, and my laptop doesn’t meet those requirements.
I turned off secure boot and didn’t get any popups for windows 11 ever
You might at some point, you don’t actually need secure boot turned on for Windows 11 your PC just needs to be capable of secure boot and use UEFI mode rather than legacy boot
Well that isn’t good. I hope I can get by with Linux
Did you read the article? The popup warns users about it, yes. It’s a good thing to let them know there won’t be more security updates for their OS.
And 90% of home windows user don’t give a damn.
How is that Microsoft’s fault? Should they be forcing users to care, somehow? The warning is already getting people angry as it is.
People don’t care and they see any pop-up it’s an annoyance and they immediately close it. I once had a student ask why is wasnt allowing her to download something. I asked her to show me what she was doing…as soon as the security warning for “do you want to save or cancel the file?” And then complain that it was broken.
I can see your point. Warning the user once is probably enough.
You would be amazed.
At work we provide popup notifications for a week when a users password is close to expiring
They still miss it and need to call helpdesk
“We tried asking. We tried begging. We tried bullying. We even tried tricking people into upgrading. We tried everything short of actually making a usable OS!”
I understand how it is possible for an OS to interrupt one’s use of one’s own computer to beg for money or to install spyware. I don’t understand how such an OS would still have users.
If I didn’t have to use it for work, and if Ableton Live made a Linux version, I’d never use Windows again. Every single activity is interrupted by messages that are effectively adverts for things you’re not interested in. The Start menu still doesn’t work after 29 years of development. Searching for a file is ridiculously slow and doesn’t find the file. Everything else is also slow, all the time. I have given up trying to arrange my desktop icons because they always go back to the same position they’ve been stuck in for months. All the applications hang, and the whole system has frequent unresponsive moments where God knows what it’s doing but it’s nothing I asked for. I dual boot into Linux and it feels like an oasis of peace.
Oh yeah, sorry, didn’t mean to rag on people that have to work with it. I think we’re all frustrated that it’s still so pervasive even though it gets worse every year.
Check out “everything” for windows, it finds files, all files, instantly. And it’s free.
If I worked at Microsoft, on windows, I’d be so ashamed I wouldn’t tell.
I use Everything. It is a thousand times more useful than Windows’s file search, even though it only indexes filenames, not file contents.
“Please people, please… just give us your money. We might leave you alone after that. For a while.”
Surely more AI will fix it!
Can Microsoft be any more annoying?
I had to laugh when I searched for “Vivaldi” in Edge on a new installation and Bing said “There’s no reason to switch to a new browser!”
There are tons of reasons. Their insistence that there are no reasons is a good example of a reason.
How about when you have to update your machine and it goes through the “setup” which is just disguised ads for services like microsoft 365? That’s pretty annoying.
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You think the average Windows user cares about security or updates? I’ve worked in IT for over a decade and I can tell you that the average person doesn’t give a damn.
Yup.
they do care about money.
Doing nothing is a very real probability. PCs have very real competition as well. Buying a cheap Apple air is now a great alternative to Microsoft Windows for people scared of linux. M3 processor is great and the devices cheap.
1300-2000 €. They wouldn’t be cheap if you cut off a digit from the price.
It’s good except for the fact that Windows 11 is tied to a piece of hardware level security of supposedly nebulous benefit to your average home user. So tons of computers that would otherwise be fine are going to end up being entirely replaced and turned into e-waste instead because their motherboard doesn’t have a TMP chip on it.
But that’s an issue with Microsoft requiring TMP for Windows 11, not them telling people that they’re gonna stop getting stuff like security updates.
I wonder if there’s a debloated version of Windows 11 that removes the TPM requirement…
Regardless, I’m this | | close to switching to Linux; I just need to make sure I can get OneDrive and full MS Office running in Linux reliably, since I need both for work. The Steam Deck has convinced me that I don’t need Windows anymore for gaming, so it’s only work holding me back. (Work pays me a stipend to maintain my own work computer hardware, so I do work on “my” machine.)
Edit: Looks like it’s actually pretty easy to do.
If you are fine with the older office suite (2019 I believe), there is a codeweaver program called crossover. They are the teams that make WINE a reality and they have a one version license so you can own it forever. Or yeah, you can also use VM.
Nice, thanks! 2019 should be good enough; the guides I was looking at were suggesting much older versions for WINE compatibility.
I just need to look into OneDrive, now.
Yeah, that is if I remember it correctly. But I do remember installing a modern office suite back then using crossover. They also have trials so you can test your target program is indeed running as it should before buying.
I ownder if its a tactic to get people, or mainly businesses to upgrade no so they are still in the windows ecosystem. They won’t want to pay for windows, so making it seem like their computer is outdated and should be upgraded is not a bad strategy. If a movement of converting to Linux starts, many users might leave. For good.
Microsoft has 18 months to convince folks to upgrade.
They’ll be lucky if I boot my Windows 10 partition between now and 18 months.
I almost did the other day. But then I found out that someone made a Flatpak of MakeMKV, so I didn’t need to.
They have been doing this for at least a year now. They have one that tries to trick you into thinking that it was already updated and you have to finish setting it up. It takes several clicks on tiny hidden buttons to escape it. There’s no option to tell it to fuck off forever. They’ll pester you again a couple weeks later.
dark design or fraud design should be fineable.
Dark patterns were outlawed years ago, but the FTC has to enforce it. My guess is that Microsoft either designed it in such a way that it barely meets the requirements, or they figured it won’t matter because even if they get caught, the fine will be less than their savings/profit.
I see Linux in my future, as I just don’t have the cash for a new rig.
I have to be careful though, as it’s my family PC, and the rest of my family aren’t going to tolerate much of a learning curve. It really needs to just work out of the box.
Considering Zorin OS. Hopefully I can get it on my SSD next to Windows so I can dual-boot for a while to test the water…
You’d be better off installing Linux on another drive if you’re going to dual boot. Windows loves to mess with the EFI boot partition which ends up borking the Linux bootloader.
If your family does more than just browse the web, there’s definitely going to be a bit of a learning curve, it’s possible though. I converted my 73 year old father to Linux after he used Windows for 25 years.
If you install the Linux bootloader on a separate partition from the Windows bootloader, then it’s trivial to repair it, but that might be a bit advanced for a basic user.
Ah really? I could put it on the hard drive, but the whole point of the SSD was for it to take the OS… Will have to think on that.
They generally don’t do more than browse the web so I’m not anticipating any major issues. I used to game on it, but it’s so old now I’ve stopped using it for games.
Maybe I’ll put it on a usb for a while instead of dual booting.
I meant installing Linux itself on another drive, but having the EFI System Partition on another drive could work theoretically.
I have been wanting to make the switch to Linux myself, and have done a bit of research on which to try for a beginner coming from windows. However the dual boot dangers are worrying me a bit, I dont want to nuke my windows installation just yet and only test the waters.
I have an SSD with windows on it and another with most of my programs and files. Could I partition the latter for a Linux installation or would I risk windows messing with it anyway?
Installing Linux on a separate drive is probably a better bet. I’ll admit I didn’t have much trouble with it, but I dual booted Windows 8.1 with Linux, not 10, and my understanding is it has only gotten fuckier.
In either case you may wish to “test the waters” by installing and running Linux in a virtual machine or on a thumb drive at first, to take it for a test drive and see if you can live with it.
Yep, in fact, installing it on a different drive completely would probably be your safest bet 😉 Windows may still mess with it, but if it has its own EFI System Partition, it should hopefully leave the one for Linux alone.
Go with Pop! Pop! Is a great OS and has pretty much everything working right out of the box. Go with Gnome so that people understand they need to do things slightly different rather than trying to use a Linux machine like a Windows machine. Plus Gnome is just awesome. Hit the windows key, type the first couple letters of the program you want to open, hit enter, done! The Pop shop has almost everything an average user would need, so you can install things with the click of a button without having to search the Internet, and updates are a hands off affair.
Edit: since you’re not a Linux user I’ll clarify Gnome. Gnome is a desktop environment, and Pop is the actual operating system. In Linux you can change how your computer interface looks and works by choosing different desktop environments(DE). A variation of Gnome is the default DE for Pop, and it works great. KDE would be the DE most similar to Windows, but it has enough differences that it can frustrate Windows users. Gnome is completely different, so they’ll take the time to figure something out rather than just getting frustrated that it’s different. Besides, the learning curve on Gnome is basically zero. Just use the Windows key and start typing. It’s literally that simple.
I’ll counter that when I tried gnome it was so far it was frustrating while KDE took some adjustment but it worked like a de was supposed to work in my brain. And gnome wasn’t as easily customizable as kde
Yeah, no recommendation will work for everyone. My advice was just based on observation of new Linux users and the challenges I see them complaining about. I’m glad you found something that works for you.
Oh absolutely, I just wanted to share because some people will see that and think “if gnome is easier and I hated it then I shouldn’t bother with KDE”. Nah if you don’t like gnome try KDE or cinnamon. Everyone is different, that’s why there are multiple major des.
Go with Mint rather than Zorin.
I use Linux Mint on a bunch of my machines
In general it’s pretty painless
I still have a Windows machine but I’m hoping to fix that soon
I took the free upgrade. Then after a bit I updated my bios and it killed my license. Microsoft wouldn’t fix it and said I changed my hardware so there was nothing they could do. Still pissed off about that.
Wow that’s fucking annoying Jesus
There’s a mass grave way to get a new digital license from Microsoft 😉
Btw when I changed my motherboard and Windows deactivated, I called them and told them “it broke, then I replaced only the motherboard” (actually was an hardware upgrade) and they give the the phone activation codes. But that was during the Win7 era
That’s crazy. Not a Microsoft fanboy, but I’ve had issues like that after an actual board swap and they still have made it right (and technically they were in the right to disallow it), and they’ve fixed issues with transferring around my retail license that I’ve had since like Windows 7 because by now it’s been activated a bunch of times. Enshittification.
My computer doesn’t meet the requirements so I guess I’ll just not.
Yeah new cpu and mobo is way down my list of important expenditures right now.
They could convince me to update by making windows 11 not suck.
By reworking windows 7 to work with new hardware
God I’d cry if I could get windows 7 supported again
You could probably install linux bare metal on your computer, and daily drive windows 7 in a vm. Good luck getting compatible software anymore, but if you can, create an image and you are set for the foreseeable future
Actually not a bad idea. A lot of games I play actually run better on 7 than on 10.
Or I could reskin mint to be Windows Aero
Every pop up just convinced me to switch to Linux lol
Same. My next build will be Linux. Just distro shopping right now.
Haha felt that. I jumped from distro to distro constantly then finally settled in fedora after trying it a 2nd time
I’m used to hearing about how a lot of people are put off of Lemmy because of all the “Linux” people on it, “people pushing Linux”, “elitists”, etc.
And yet I see something like this and think “are we not supposed to give good advice?”.
If is the kind of thing you want for your computing then go for it.
I think it’s mostly that it comes across more like religious proselytizing than “good advice”.
Also, that “advice” is mixed in with just as much messaging about how fussy it can be and implications that you’ve got to basically be an enthusiast level user to make it work for you. Not that it necessarily is that way, but overall that’s the messaging I see from this community.
As someone who tried Linux many years ago, disliked it, and went back to Windows, generally my take is that Windows is far from perfect, but it’s the best option for me, and I’m happy to try and ignore the Lemmy buzz around it…but that buzz just gets more and more annoying over time.
Take it on good faith that I won’t bible beat you. I’m genuinely curious. What are things about windows that are ‘far from perfect’ as you put it? What would you do to change them, and if you could wave a magic wand and change whatever you want, what would you change?
On self-reflection I’ll admit that there’s a bias experienced by people, like me, who live in the Linux bubble, surrounded by people who are happy Linux users, to overestimate the eagerness of other people to be on board. It’s also easy to forget when you’re on a general Technology community like this one, where a lot of people are talking about Linux, that it’s not everyone is a Linux person.
In fact I don’t even really detect much of a “Lemmy buzz” around it mainly because I participated in Linux-y parts of Reddit, and other places, before now. If anything from my point of view there seems to be more resistance to it on Lemmy.
It could be that having used it for nearly 20 years I’ve lost my ability to fathom why it would be difficult. But that said, both my parents use Linux and are non-technical users - they were fed up with windows crap like in OP so they asked me to set it up for them and it’s been 5 years now trouble free. So even if you do need to be an enthusiast-level user to make it work, you only have to know one. What I still stand by is that it’s good advice for most users.
It’s unsolicited advice.
It would be like you posting about a minor annoyance with Minecraft, and then having multiple people tell you to ditch it and play Minetest instead.
I don’t know anything about Minecraft but if Minetest is an appropriate replacement without that minor annoyance I would suggest that’s solicited advice.
That’s not an apt comparison
