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Summary
A new Leger poll reveals that 27% of Canadians now consider the U.S. an “enemy” country, while 30% still see it as an ally.
The survey follows escalating tensions, including President Trump’s tariff threats and his suggestion that Canada should become a U.S. state.
Trump remains widely unpopular in Canada, with 74% viewing him unfavorably. Political affiliation influences perceptions, with Conservatives more likely to see the U.S. as an ally.
Liberals, NDP, and Bloc Québécois supporters view the U.S. more negatively.
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I view the U.S. as an enemy country right now, and I live here.
You complete me.
Been that way at least 25 years.
Yeah big same!
I’ll never understand staying in a place you hate.
What are you going to do about it?
Edited to add
Second time I’ve asked this and second time I’ve been downvoted to hell. Seems Americans don’t like their apathy challenged. It’s easy to be a keyboard warrior but no one seems to like facing the reality that they may have to actually do something about it.
You’re probably being down voted because of the presumption that we’re not doing things. Protests, calling representatives, boycotts, mutual aid networks, etc. Some of us work directly in politics or directly in government, and do what we can in those spaces, too.
It’s kind of irritating to get a finger-wagging admonition when you’re exploring all options short of outright assassination. And if the suggestion is to just start shooting, well, I think it’s asking more than you think for someone to choose to become a killer.
And perhaps you could explain why my other reply to those that answered earnestly also get downvoted. For example, https://sh.itjust.works/comment/16824568
The question contains no presumption. I want to hear what Americans are going to do about the rise of fascism in their country directly from Americans’ mouths (or this case, finger tips).
If you’re actively protesting, calling reps, or working from within as you say, I say good job and good start.
If that’s true, instead of asking a rather blunt and extremely-easy-to-misinterpret question of individual people, go post a question about it somewhere. The presentation you’ve chosen (I saw the other one in the wild as well) comes across as rude and combative, even if that’s not the intention. It’s a quite bad way to foster open and honest conversation.
Since this Trump thing started rolling a whole month ago, people have been quite openly hostile toward Americans. And like fine, we get it, but many of us -are- doing things, and always have been trying to make things better… and we are getting caught by the same exhausting “you should have done more!!! You deserve it, this is what you voted for!!! Reeeeee!!!” That’s being slung at people who actually do deserve it. It’s really tiring, on top of everything else, to have to defend ourselves and our actions to random insensitive internet people with zero cause. We 75 million active blue voters can only do so much at a time to fix a country of 350 million incredibly diverse people (and we’ve been working at it for years if not decades, this loss was devastating for many of us). Most of whom are either stupid or selfish. Most of whom have never actually seen voting red or blue to have a marked impact on anything, because until quite recently it truly hasn’t made much material difference for your average person.
Before you ask, I’m working on getting my house ready to sell so I can buy some land to build up, solo and with as much manual effort as needed, into an off-grid year-round passive-productive farm (big ask in hardiness zone 4! But I’m 💪 capable!), that forms the foundation of a robust mutual aid network to help everyone I can… tho the fruits (and veggies) of my labor are far too sweet for the vipers that are fascists, so they get nothing but shot. They made this mess and I will do absolutely nothing to protect them from the consequences. Fortunately, they can’t help but tell you who they are. Every aid package or delivery will contain pro-social messaging, about banding together to get through the hard times, about supporting everyone based on need not ability, etc. I’ll also be building additional housing on this land (again, entirely solo, other than electrical), so I can provide soft landing for friends and family, or hire a person to help me in exchange for food and board for their family.
Those who are really going to do things about stuff shouldn’t yap about it on social media. Loose lips sink ships.
Right now I’m in a holding pattern. There’s a non-zero chance that Trump will be distracted by something shiny and we’ll move on to the next fucking fever dream crisis. There’s also a really, really good chance that if he does order to invade Canada, real shit will start to pop off here.
Trump isn’t calling the shots.
Nice try. How long have you been working at DOGE?
Nice try? To do what? Spur Americans into not sliding further into fascism? Guilty as charged, I guess.
Oh of course, sorry about that… (winks) officer.
I don’t know about them, but I’ve been attending protests and getting more locally involved. I live in a very blue state so haranguing my local reps won’t do much since they’re already on the same page.
Good start, keep it up. Don’t dismiss contacting your reps just because you’re in a blue state.
There’s a good chance that wherever you live, far-right candidates are making headway in your government. What are you doing about it?
The federal government where I live is not actively imploding, so right off the bat I would like to point out that it’s a false equivalence. However, there is definitely a ton of headway to make in my more local area.
I am staying aware of my local politics, vote every chance I get, contracting my government representatives. I campaign for the people I think can help my area and country the best, and I encourage everyone I know to vote.
If my government starts slipping into fascism, I will do more. I will say also that with the USA burning every alliance it has in the span of a month, I’ve never more strongly considered joining the armed forces in some capacity.
If my government starts slipping into fascism, I will do more.
Very easy to say. Hopefully you’ll never have to put your money where your mouth is.
I don’t disagree with you!
Godspeed! The US has a whole lotta pain coming up, and it will have a big effect on the world order. We’ve had it coming for a long time, though.
If it’s already started slipping into fascism, you could be too late.
You have to stop fascism before it ever starts.
What do you want people to say to you on the Internet that is owned and monitored by the same people doing this?
I just want them to honestly answer the question.
The reason you’re getting downvoted is it’s a problem even here in the country. It’s the “Why aren’t you doing anything about it?” to all of us.
In the case of me, I live 1000 miles away from the seat of power, our representatives actively are dismantling things we voted for, not national I’m talking, state level, because we’re outright surrounded by the people who are actively cheering for this. (and the example of the voting against, state voted to get rid of the most strict abortion law in the country, legalizing it… and now the representatives on state level are trying to get a pregnancy registry “to try to stop preventable abortions.” while the state rep at national level is trying to get a national abortion ban going. This is one of many many many things in the state by itself. Hell, I just learned the state just gained police control to the other city after they managed to vote that out.)
I didn’t downvote, but I want you to read “What are you going to do about it?” out loud. Hell, you yourself said it’s the apathy. But the fuck am I going to do? Show up and wave a sign at the people who already have shown they couldn’t give a flying shit about our opinions? Or be there when the fight starts and be a martyr. The second option the best case scenario is getting to be like Tank Man, but honestly demographics I’d be one of the many forgotten in the Tiananmen Square Massacre. And that’s what it’s going to look like, because this administration you better believe is looking for an opportunity to go full martial law, and if we don’t do it, their brownshirts will for them.
So the best I can fucking do is stock up, prepare, keep my head down, keep in contact with the people who are in the same boat as I am being in effectively enemy territory and use the privilege I have of looking like a standard white conservative to see how many I can keep safe when being that demographic is important.
Vote Yes when secession comes up?
The United States of America is the enemy of the free world
US citizen here and I’m surprised that 27% isn’t much higher.
US citizen here. Even I view the US government as an enemy.
US citizen here… can I bump up that number for them please? I’ll work and pay taxes without complaining about them.
I’m guessing it’s a split between considering the govt an enemy but not the people, along with people who think it’s nearing-but-not-quite an enemy.
It’s a problem with polls, they don’t give enough options and many times and the few options they give mean different to different people. If the US were an enemy I’d be too busy trying to figure out how to blow shit up in the US to have this conversation. That’s what I consider the word enemy to mean. We’re not there yet.
I’d classify the US as an adversary though. A country I’m opposing by non-violent means.
As a Canadian, this didn’t feel right so I actually opened the article and there you go it’s an online survey.
The US is the enemy of the world. Even of its own people.
It’s sad how the US has spent so long building up an alliance with Canada, only for it to all be ruined by Trump in such a short amount of time. I was planning on travelling to California but those plans have since been scrapped as I just don’t feel comfortable travelling to the US. I’m genuinely worried things may escalate further.
Well, with any luck we’ll both be able to visit the New California Republic in a few years
As a Californian, I’m hella stoked for the future nation of Pacifica.
So what you’re saying is California will declare its independence as soon as the genetic experiments to create an army of two-headed bears are successful?
Funny part first time I saw it I thought it could be 2 bears in profile for California mark 2.
I could see that if the second bear wasn’t missing two sets of legs.
It’s perspective hahahah
That’s not how perspective works.
If NY and California just split off or joined with Canada…
Patrolling the Mojave? Nah, a stroll around the Night City should be nicer even.
I have family down there that I’ll never see again. There’s no way in hell I’m going back down to that shithole, ever. It already felt like enemy territory even before the first Trump administration. Now it’s like booking a holiday in Nazi Germany in 1939. Fuck all that.
What part of the country already felt hostile? The South or some flyover state?
Florida I’m sure
I have relatives who moved to the states, they tend to come down once a year since they have their own business and can easily take off time whenever, whereas for me as a full-time employee it’s not so simple. I’ve already not visited the states in quite a few years so that part isn’t a loss for me at least.
I dunno if they will visit this year though, that will be interesting to see what happens with that.
I wanted to visit New York City but never had the chance.
I’m not going to be going any time soon, that’s for sure.
It has been a constant barrage of misinformation spread across the world for decades.
We’ve seen many reports of misinformation farms from Russia, China and North Korea and this is the result of it.
We just cancelled our trip to Disney, which is sad, but I see there are some other locations in Tokyo or Paris, so might look at going there for a middle ground.
As a Californian I can assure you that unless you’re in the absolute middle of nowhere nobody would even bat an eye at you having a Canadian accent.
I think there’s concern about the fucking plane crashing on the way. 100% legit concern.
Wow friend, that’s really reassuring buddy.
I’m an American and also see the United States as an enemy country. Our worst enemy, in fact.
Damn Americans! They ruined America!
Snark aside, you’re completely right. The country that’s going to suffer the most damage at America’s hands is America itself.
It’s not even snark, it’s a perfectly accurate statement!
Absolutely. Trump’s and the Project 2025’s “America First” strategy is essentially turning US imperialism inward on its own citizens now that the former global dominance is waning.
Also known as…
Unfortunately, it’s only Evil Kirk.
We are absolutely an enemy to the free world now. There used to be a tiny sliver of decency, but that has long since been abandoned.
To the rest of the world: take us down.
With fucking what? You have the most powerful economy on earth, and you’ve used it to build the most powerful military on earth. Invading the US would be the most diasterous war the world has ever seen.
Wake the fuck up. If you guys don’t fix this shit, we are all completely and utterly fucked.
No one is coming to save you.
I don’t remember saying shit about us not handling this internally or going to war but you do you.
The idea that the USA is untouchable by global counterparts is absurd. Look at what Russia does to our elections with a couple of script kiddies. We can absolutely be targeted and displaced by outside forces, especially with the current crop of dipshits running the federal government right now.
They do have a point though, that it’s your mess to clean up. Unlike so many US citizens, many of us actually know that you don’t always need to blow something up, figuratively or literally, when it stops working properly.
We don’t want to “take you down”. We want you to finally start behaving your damn selves. Clean up your own fucking messes, we’re not your parents.
We couldn’t even get our fellow countrymen to wear cloth masks without them screeching and guzzling horse dewormer. We’ve been demanding universal healthcare since at least the 90s; we got a fucking insurance marketplace instead, and the right wing has never stopped bitching about it to this day. If we could clean it up, we would have, but there’s a subset of our population that’s hopelessly propagandized. The only upshot here is that it tends to be a regional phenomenon and might be able to be addressed via balkanizing; just walk away from the table and let the fucking bozos be bozos in their own little bozoville.
It’s a tough battle upwards, the established propaganda model helps make sure of that, but undeniably at the end of the day, the workers in the US hold more than enough power collectively to threaten decision makers into compromise (and, if you have the guts, submission). I’m not even talking about violence, I’m talking about things like withholding labor and simple sabotage.
It’s funny, the French are so often made fun of for being cowards but if their government does anything to try to strip their rights the whole fucking place throws a well deserved fit. The US mostly just sits on their fucking hands with the BLM protests being the only significant country-wide movement in a long time.
“We couldn’t”—fuck off, ya’ll didn’t even try. The slightest inconvenience and the country folds, and that’s even if any of you are paying any attention to the news at all. Too many of you fools don’t even know what the fuck is going on; at least Fox viewers are trying to keep up with politics(badly, but they’re doing it).
Get your fuckasses outside and do something that isn’t passing blame and staying home.
Every time we “do stuff” the mainstream media seizes the narrative and blocks popular support. The big thing from my region was CHAZ… a protest occupying ten city blocks for almost a month in response to police brutality. National media convinced the Right that we burned down Seattle, cops threw a fit and stopped doing their jobs, and if anything things are worse now for having tried.
We need enough general unrest that when things get violent, and they will, they can’t monopolize the narrative and send in the military. And even then I think the Right wins that war unless other countries are willing to help.
There is more than just “main stream media” out there. And yes, it’s a hard battle to fight, I won’t deny that, but c’mon, really? And this also goes back to the fact that too many citizens don’t even know what’s going on at any given moment out of willful ignorance.
That’s fair and I 100% agree.
All Russia did was give a nudge to the literal trillions of dollars in capital held by elites who wanted nothing more than full-blown fascism. All the Kremlin had to do was finance whoever could sow the most distrust in democratic institutions and wedge themselves in existing divides within the US. It’s the most boring coup in history, people voting for Hitler not because of Bolshevism of whatever but because they’re triggered by fucking vaccines and pronouns.
Conversely even if the EU went full hybrid warfare (which we aren’t because we can’t even do anything about the open fascists in our own Union), the counterplay is rebuilding trust which is harder by orders of magnitude than just buying up a social media, deleting moderation, and promoting the Nazi stuff.
Best we could hypothetically do is sanction y’all into autarchy and hope the subsequent recession/depression acts as an electroshock to the population, but you’re already doing it to yourselves and besides I see no reason why the two thirds of y’all who either don’t care or actively support fascism would change their minds. It will be just like Putin Orban or Erdogan, 15 years from now shit will be worse than ever for the 99 % but Republicans will still win elections without even needing to cheat much thanks to their complete control over state propaganda. Your democracy is dead, you should be moving through the stages of grief and planning your next move.
I’d love to be proven wrong but there’s too much historical precedent, and zero precedent to Americans being even remotely close to politically conscious enough to engage in “forceful” political change (unless the force is being exerted on Black people, then the “well regulated militia” comes out the woodwork). Hell, the videos from “protests” I’ve been seeing this week in your major cities look so pathetic it makes Denver look like a large village.
don’t invade us
gets out ballgag
ooooh i’d hate it soooo much to get invaded
handcuffs self to radiator
it would be so awful getting invaded
I think I’m going to invade that ass
You have power. Help us out: https://specificsuggestions.com/
See also: CIA guides to simple sabotage.
Meanwhile, at the Kremlin
I’m an American, and I have never felt more politically or ideologically alienated from the country that is supposedly “mine”. Seriously considering fucking off, finding somewhere else to live, and renouncing my citizenship.
We gotta fight this. Can’t just leave.
But the majority of people here want this.
They can have Kentucky, but I’d fight for the PNW. We shouldn’t be one big country anyway.
the majority who bothered to vote, that is. I’d be willing to bet that even the shiftless morons who spend all day posting selfies and ignoring reality could eventually be motivated to action if things get bad enough down there. once they lose their followers and have nobody to pose for, what’s left for them to do? everybody needs a cause, even if it’s an idiotic one. you gotta fight— for your right— to post seellllllfies
I’m honestly not sure this context is winnable.
I’m currently setting that in motion for myself. Taking the chance to go back to college in another country and hoping to basically getting a do over for my life
Your country is under siege. If control isn’t regained, the America we once knew will be as history as the Weimar Republic.
Precisely the comparison I’ve been trying to make for a while now
That’s because you are not America. When they talk about making America better, they’re not talking about you. Never did
Edit: I want to make it clear that what I mean is that they don’t care about the people, not that they shouldn’t
Yep. I’m a cishet white dude but even just as an atheist I’ve never been a “real” American in the eyes of far too many. And now the Christofascists are seizing control.
You should know that until you do renounce your citizenship, you’ll have to pay taxes in the US even if you live in another country. AFAIK only 2 countries in the world still use citizenship-based taxation: USA and Eritrea.
Also, if you ever do try to renounce your citizenship, it’s much more difficult than you might think. The people I know who have done it had to pay tens of thousands of dollars to complete the process, despite being up to date on their taxes and not being at all rich.
As a Native American we’ve considered over half of the country as an enemy since 1492.
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27% seems a little low.
About 90% of people I know avoid buying American goods if possible now…
I wonder how things will change in the next few months.
It seems to me it would be such an obvious thing for Canadian companies to change their packaging to prominently feature Canadian flags, but that takes time. Until then, it’s still a bit difficult to know which products are Canadian vs. American vs. made somewhere else.
There’s a small chance that Trump will back down and try to play nice with Canadians. But, I doubt it. So, I don’t think Canadians are going to start changing their mind on buying US products any time soon.
I wonder if retailers will make it easy too. They generally try to stay out of politics and don’t want to alienate anybody. But, if anger about the US continues, people might expect retailers to make it easier to buy Canadian and easier to avoid US products.
At my grocery store in Canada each Canadian product has a Canadian Flag next to each shelf price sticker. Makes it easy to know what to grab.
Is it Loblaws or Metro or another big chain, or is it a smaller store? I’m guessing the big corporate stores will be the slowest to change.
Given that Trump has been threatening daily to invade or otherwise annex Canada, I would agree with you there. What’s the definition of an enemy country if not one that is constantly threatening to destroy you and seize what is yours?
Do we have to wait for it to actually happen before the slower Canadians catch on? Or are we dealing with that group of Canadians that worship Trump and would consider the destruction of their own country to be helpful? There’s a word for people like that.
Or maybe Canadians are being nice and talking about the USA in a non-political sense, as the American people. Even then, given the relatively high approval ratings of Trump and Musk in recent polls, it’s clear many of the American people are not friendly towards Canada.
I don’t know what to even think anymore. Our neighbour wants to invade us but all our talent just ends up moving to the states anyway (at least in my industry) since they can make way more money. Housing is fucked, wages are fucked, and what does buy canadian even mean? from lablaws? fuck that, everything is a monopaly up here from groceries, telecoms, everything! What does it even mean to be canadian anymore? At least we’ve got our principals, I’m glad we’re pushing back and taking a stance but I hate the direction this country is headed. Things are bad and theres no end in sight.
We’ve still got plenty to fight for, as long as our country isn’t under the control of actual Nazis like the USA is. Europe before WW2 had problems, but it was still very much worse for everyone once the Nazis rolled in. Let’s not let that happen, and at least buy ourselves the possibility of improving life in Canada.
cheers to that.
Yeah only 27%. I mean everyone I know thinks of them as an enemy. They betrayed Mexico, Canada and Ukraine already and its only February.
We’ve been breaking treaties for as long as we’ve been a country, just ask the remnants of the native peoples. We’ve had brief, shining periods as a force for good or scientific achievement, but mostly it’s a big, racist shithole.
Also apparently told Europe that they’re pulling out of there unless they accept the deal for Ukraine’s surrender…
Yeah, that’s what I thought. Take a hint Canada, do we need to tilt our hands up and stop pissing on your boots and start pissing on your face? Don’t trust a group of people where more than 50% of them voted for a convicted felon and mental retard to shape their future. Maybe the poll doesn’t account for the other 73% just feeling sad about their pathetic neighbor?
Yeah, far too low.
Shocked it’s not higher
As member of the 27%, Im much more surprised that only 30% consider the US an ally. Trump has fucked Canadian’s public opinion so bad. Pre-election I’d expect that number to be around 80%
I personally would not be surprised if musk and trump will try to start a new Hitler era.
