im one of them 😬
I’m one of the many. Hate where tech is headed, I remember hearing about Microsoft wanting to turn windows cloud based with a subscription. Hell no
Or, like me, still on Windows 7, they could just no longer use Steam. Lots of games I can still play on this OS or in my browser. Maybe someday I’ll go back to Linux, or maybe even React, just for the hell of it.
I wonder how I’d be considered. I use Steam on Linux on one computer, Windows 10 on another, and Mac on another. Maybe I get counted thrice.
pretty sure it’s based off of which clients of yours got prompted to do the hardware survey
Both my windows and Linux client got prompted, but I declined the windows one. Most of my gaming happens on Linux nowadays
Win 11 is downgrade to Win 10, and I expect Win 12 to be a downgrade to Win 11. I still didnt decide whether Mint or Kubuntu will be the next OS on my pc. I’m pretty sure Windows 12 has no chance.
“Windows 10 will be the last Windows OS released!” - Microshaft
Every single edition of Windows introduces new forms of bloat and new ways for MS to overreach and attempt to play corporate nanny over a user’s system; why the fuck would anyone willingly upgrade Windows when they have the chance not to?
Yeah well Windows 11 fucking sucks. What do they expect? Maybe if you have to do all kinds of shady shit to get people to accept the newest version of your shitty product you should take a good look at yourself and evaluate why that is.
Windows 11 is great with some tweaks and has by-far the best HDR implementation of any OS, bar none. I’m getting so sick and tired of people who don’t even use it hating on it constantly. Y’all have done this with every new Windows release except 7 and 98SE. Win11 is a great companion to Arch. Get over yourselves already.
As if HDR makes all the anti consumer shit okay?
Ah yes, the only thing that matters for gaming is checks clipboard, oh that’s right, HDR. Very well said.
I’ve tried both 10 and 11, though not much for gaming since I mostly only game on Linux these days. On my Windows machine, 11 has issues with my scanner, it has some stupid service that conflicts with my scanner, it’s called something like “Windows image acquisition service”, I need to stop that service every time I want to scan a document. It’s so dumb.
Windows 10 was better than 11.
HDR implementation
I don’t even know what that is. I use Windows 11 at work every day and it fucking sucks. It has been non stop annoyances since I got upgraded from 10. I don’t have any problems on my windows 10 pc at home.
High Dynamic Range, tl;dr it’s better graphics, but ultimately inconsequential to most users
Thanks. And yeah don’t really give a shit about graphics when I’m dealing with constant usability problems. I guess if all you care about is playing video games that would be more of a concern but my eyes are too shitty to appreciate high end graphics anyway.
You seriously don’t know what HDR is? Really? Then we have nothing further to discuss.
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I’m getting so sick and tired of people who don’t even use it hating on it constantly
Linux users: First time?
Truly, it really isn’t that bad after about 10 minutes of tweaking. For all complaining I see in the PCMR spaces, you’d think it needed much more. Should it have to be done? Probably not. Am I glad it can be and there’s plenty of tools (really only 2 needed) to make it look feel and behave like Win10? Yes. Is the Win10 EoL the same as darling XP’s? Also yes, which makes much of this even funnier to me.
I stayed with XP until 7. I stayed with 7 until 10. I’ll probably stay with 10 until the next Windows. Assuming it actually is decent again, and not just even shittier than 11.
I only went to 11 for better HDR support. I’d definitely still be on 10.
MS can pry Windows 10 out of my cold, dead hands. I’ll switch to Linux before Win11 and I don’t particularly want to do that either.
Make the switch, even if it’s on an old laptop first just to try it out. About 90% of my Steam library runs without any extra effort needed, a few games needed tweaks that I found in the steam message boards, and 5 or 10 just refused to work at all.
At this point I am not even sure Microsoft thinks it is better to run important windows software natively on windows rather than in a much more stable, reliable virtual environment inside of Linux or WINE.
Both are going to crash occasionally (we are talking about windows software after all) but when the part running Windows software in Linux crashes it isn’t anywhere as likely to sink the whole boat and crash the rest of the operating system and potentially lose a bunch of stuff.
I think clearly what Microsoft is gunning for longterm is to eat their operating system with a bunch of cloud crap that doesn’t even really run locally for the most part.
Which is why we need to burn this to the ground so there are consequences for Microsoft for betraying users this thoroughly and completely.
Do you part, give friendly helpful linux advice to newbies, share resources and have some fun with it!
For anything that HAS to work and only runs on Windows (eat a dick Siemens) I put it in a VM with no network connection. A physical machine that gets regular updates is too unstable to rely on.
When ever I’m teaching a new guy I try to get them on board with using VMs at at minimum for reliability and a VM under Linux if they are interested.
I’m having a problem finding VM software I can use for free that isn’t a trial, or requires an account/login.
Virtual Box. It’s dead easy.
Here goes (installing now)
You are correct Microsoft is selling a branded Thin Client Mini PC, around $400. It doesn’t store anything local it is all cloud app, onedrive access stuff. Their Azure is Linux so its just a “Windows” Box for gaining access to Linux in the cloud. Lol
Pathetic, and the plan will backfire on even their contracts with corporations as any moment now all the data they are storing will be stolen in a truly massive data breach and Microsoft won’t even be able to do damage control effectively because they purposefully removed, broke and obsifucated local and secure workflows and focused everything on a subscription based model where everything including practically your social security number is entrusted to their shitty servers.
I think there is a good chance the EU could regulate on this.
What Microsoft thinks they can do in a situation like this is the same thing they have always done, hamfistedly and halfassedly walk back anti-consumer/anti-user practices until people calm down, rinse repeat.
Hilariously though this manuever relies on Microsoft not having any rivals in a seriously threatening position to flank when Microsoft begins to enter an enshittified vulnerability, which as much as they seem to be clueless about it (please keep being clueless M$), Linux is.
Unfortunately all the games I play require anti cheat and they all have dont support linux because of that
That sucks. About 5 years ago I put ideology one peg above entertainment and just avoid games that use Windows only anti-cheat, I don’t get to play the biggest releases but there are literally thousands of other games that work perfectly and are just as fun.
If I were you I would keep my Windows gaming machine as a single function device. Play games, get all the MS updates and 3rd party spyware, don’t let it touch anything you want to keep private or safe.
Yea once w10 reaches eol I’m gone. If my games decide to fix linux by then, then all is well. If not, oh well.
Most anticheats work on linux these days unless its a kernel level anticheat… and personally i wouldnt want that garbage on any OS.
To be honest when october comes and w10 is at eol I’ll probably just move to linux and stop playing those games altogether
I have a laptop that I dual boot on, I’ll have to try a few games on it. The biggest thing for me is if MusicBee will work, because I’ve been using it for almost ten years and want to keep using it.
It should work according to my research, though I do recommend trying Linux native alternatives as well. I personally went with Strawberry for now and it is similar enough for me.
I also dual boot on a laptop and a lot of games work well, especially via steam. I do have more problems with my GoG library and I had massive troubles to get Anno installed via Uplay. I’ve also noticed there are a lot of native native Linux ports coming out for some older games as well.
I’m not familiar with it but you might get lucky and it will work with Wine. It took me years before I was comfortable dropping Windows but I am a lot less anxious now about having an update randomly brick my PC or wipe out my settings/tweaks.
Good luck!
I had to install Win 11 on my work computer and it is still total dogshit. One example - The search from the Start menu never works so you have to pin every app to start or go through the whole app list to find the one you want. Its been like this for a year at least. Things, like my speakers, just randomly stop working and I have to restart to get them to work again.
The context menu! The fucking context menu!
The default context menu is So godawful, luckily you can get the old menu back with some mod applications
Not on my company laptop sadly.
Find out what IT likes and bribe them for a little GPO adjustment…
Yeah that sucks
Not that you should have to, but there are a lot of ways to fix the most annoying issues. Usually reg edits, better drivers and Powershell scripts.
Openshell makes start at least usable: https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu
Am going through this on our corp PCs.
Lol, I remember using this to fix Win 8 before they added the start menu button back. I might have to set it up again.
Does the job & will let you pare down the menu to the essentials, move start position etc. Can also be deployed and configured by GPO, which has been a godsend.
For the issue that you can no longer tell Windows to show all icons in the system tray, you can manually drag them out of the overflow into the visible part - or slap this into a powershell script and have it run at logon to do so automatically:
$Name = 'IsPromoted' $Value = '1' Get-ChildItem -path $RegistryPath -Recurse | ForEach-Object {New-ItemProperty -Path $_.PSPath -Name $Name -Value $Value -PropertyType DWORD -Force }For the right-click menu being shit, hold shift before clicking, or put this one-liner into an adminstrative command prompt for a longer term fix. Restart explorer or the PC as a whole to apply afterwards:
reg.exe add "HKCU\Software\Classes\CLSID{86ca1aa0-34aa-4e8b-a509-50c905bae2a2}\InprocServer32" /f /veSnappy Driver Origin is great for obtaining up to date drivers. I’ve also had good luck pasting the hardware ID into search with
site:driveridentifier.comto snag better drivers. IDs can be grabbed from device manager, under the details tab for the device properties. Example.
My LTSC still has time but yeah, the rest of us should be switching to Linux.
The other half is running linux, right?
Right?
I’m surprised 0Patch hasn’t been mentioned in this thread. There’s really no reason to stop using Windows 10 after EOL if you can still get security updates.
Thing is, there’s people out there on windows 10 on a computer without the magic special chip windows 11 demands.
Lots of those people can’t update and lots don’t know about Linux or understand how to even use a USB drive to install it.
Yes it’s easy for us semi tech people, but remember not everyone is into tech or understand how computers works.
People NEED computers to do stuff like applying for jobs, or searching online, or video games with friends.
Those people who don’t have a tpm chip and can’t upgrade will just not and continue using a insecure windows 10 because they don’t know or understand what it is.
Remember Lemmy, just because you understand tech, doesn’t mean everyone knows about it, or can grasp the concepts.
This is true not everyone out there has the capability to go out and have something like Linux, or the best version of windows 10 on their machines. But most people here are either knowledgeable enough, or have enough patience to try something like Linux out. If you know people that are in this position with their current machines from windows 10 to 11,and are not tech savvy, help them, and try not to be patronizing. Help them out by installing something like mint or Ubuntu and walk with them on the system, as many times as needed. If they cannot get used to it or find something that simply won’t work, don’t try to force Linux on them. Just find the best windows 10 version and install it. At some point if something doesn’t work anymore on windows 10 and they want to keep the machine, they will reach out to try Linux again, or, they will try to sell the machine they cannot operate with anymore (or give away, depending on the situation). Either way, help people out but don’t be abrasive if things do not work out the way you wanted.
I wish it was more straightfoward to make vm, customize settings and then transfer that to an external ssd to dual boot, I want to ease into linux but I get confused seeing all the differetn ways to do things and no consensus.
Also people talking about changing Distris all the time, do they retain their data? Is that what a home drive is for? Just asking here since you seem to know lol. Like can you redload your apps, ui, retain your data “easily.” (once you do it once)
I went out of my way to get a TPM from my systems OEM. I’m a tech, I’ve built dozens of machines without issue. I personally use a Dell, because I can’t be arsed to deal with it for my own kit.
Granted, the Dell I’m using can easily fit the HEDT description, but still.
I’m still using Windows 10 because fuck Windows 11. I am forced to use that shit for work and I hate it. I’m constantly in need of stuff from the settings/control panel to fix other people’s shit, and every time I go to settings, shit is somewhere different, buttons are moved or entirely missing… It’s a right fucking mess.
On any Windows 10 system, I go to control panel, find the appropriate item, such as programs and features, or network and sharing center, etc… And all the controls are there, working, and haven’t changed in any meaningful way since XP.
The thing that Microsoft seems to have abandoned is sent semblance of consistency. They’re so deep in the shit with their CD/CI with the settings panel that for every feature build of Windows 10/11, the settings menu will have options in dramatically different locations. The main difference between 10 and 11 here is that, in Windows 10, the control panel was still in one piece. In Windows 11, several control panel icons now take you to the settings menu “equivalents” to the cpl you’re looking for.
This is particularly bad with printing. Omg. How tf do I check/change the fucking driver in use for a printer in the fucking Windows 11 settings menu? If I go through what’s left of the control panel, and go to devices and printers, I get taken to the settings menu for devices which includes a section for printers, so I go into printers, and I have to hunt down a moving target for where tf they put the button to open the control panel printers and devices dialog, which seems to change weekly. Then I can open the printer settings dialog and see what driver is in use on the advanced tab, or what fucking port it’s connected to… Which, when you deal with network printers, is a pretty fucking important piece of information. Then, half the time the printer port is a fucking wsd, and I have to go spelunking into the registry to find it’s fucking IP address.
Wsd ports are fine right up until they fuck up, which happens frequently, TCP/IP ports don’t really have any problems at all. So why the fuck are we moving everyone to fucking wsd ports? Where is the benefit? Explain Microsoft! Explain!
It’s so goddamned frustrating to use as a technician. A lot of this stuff doesn’t really apply to steam users or home users in general, because these menus aren’t really looked at a lot. So the TPM requirement is the usual suspect for people’s frustrations with Windows 11.
I wouldn’t give nearly as much of a shit if they would just leave things where they are. I would only need to learn where the buttons and knobs and dialogs are once, and that would be it. But they have a bug shoved so far up their ass about making “improvements” that I can’t rely on anything staying where it is.
Windows: Let me show you an Ad, endeuntured beta tester.
That too. FFS.
I just want the OS to run things, and get out of my way. Windows used to fit that description.
My dad has a bunch of old friends that elected me to be their tech support, which makes me have to explain the basics of the basics most of the time. Trust me when I say that a lot of people in these forums have no idea how tech illiterate some people are.
I had a situation years ago where an old guy asked me to reset his android phone. I - unfortunately - complied because I made the mistake of trusting that he knew what he was asking, so I just made sure everything was backed up on his cloud. Result: he lost access to his photos, numbers, etc because he had no idea that he had a gmail account associated to his phone. Fortunately, his daughter knew and remembered the password so he recovered them.
Another situation I had with another guy was having to explain why stremio wouldn’t work on his iphone while his friends (with androids) could use it. Without going into details, he didn’t know what an “OS” was.
Let me repeat it because it’s relevant to this post: the guy didn’t know what an Operative System was. And he’s hardly alone.
In these kind of tech forums, I found that a lot of users don’t truly grasp how tech illiterates can be (and sometimes confuse that for lack of intelligence, but that’s another discussion). It’s hard for them to understand how most people don’t care what OS they are running. A lot of people will continue to use Windows 10 and not care they don’t receive more updates, as far as they are concerned, it still works and lets them do their stuff.
In these kind of tech forums, I found that a lot of users don’t truly grasp how tech illiterates can be
And of course there is an XKCD about this: Average Familiarity (2501)
Title text:
How could anyone consider themselves a well-rounded adult without a basic understanding of silicate geochemistry? Silicates are everywhere! It’s hard to throw a rock without throwing one!
Operative System?
It’s the thing that lets you do the things in your electronic thing
Operating System
Ahh my bad, bad translation
No worries I wasn’t trying to give you shit, I figured it was a translation error
Maybe go and quickly google what OS actually stands for, especially since we were just making fun of those who don’t know.
We were? I wasn’t
bad translation btw. In portuguese we say “sistema operativo”, thus the error
That’s good then.
Like seriously, if there was ever a time to do a concerted push for linux, it’s now. Start the campaigns, start the tutorials start the memes and the warnings and get the process down to under an hour. It won’t be a weird thing, it will be the lord and savior allowing your PC to continue even when windows says it can’t.
Sounds nice and I wish it was like that, but people who are not into tech won’t get those messages and wouldn’t care as for them it’s “it’s turning on, I don’t need to do all that”. Remember there’s people out there that do not understand computers in the slightest, and it’s just not there thing, have to much going on, or some other reason.
Plus Linux is far from “I just turn it on and it works” kinda person friendly.
Sadly, it’s the part of keeping it working for the periodic 5 minutes after that that is also a hurdle.
I’m a PC that’s not currently “compatible” with Windows 11, because I’m too lazy/refuse to enable TPM 2.0 in my BIOS.
Given how much of a pain in the ass my work machine is with Win 11 — I’d honestly rather switch to Linux than deal with it on my home system.
I’ve been tinkering with my Steam Deck for almost a year, and haven’t been able to accidentally brick it - it’s definitely come a long way from where it was back in my uni days (early 00s).
I did get TPM 2.0 enabled and the updater still thinks it isn’t there. Linux is now my primary with Win10 as a fallback for the handfull of programs that won’t run acceptably in Wine or Proton. My biggest problem so far is Civilization 6; Aspyr hasn’t updated the Linux build in ages and doing multiplayer with the Windows version via Proton makes it lag with terrible frame rate. Single player is fine, and multi in Win10 is also fine, so I’m not sure what to do about it.
Have you given any thought to switching to a LTSC version of Windows 10 Enterprise? There are a few trade-offs from what I can see, but at least it eliminates the issue of no security updates for up to 5 more years.
I’m still mulling over the pro’s and con’s - curious on what you think.
It’d hopefully allow you to keep Civ6 multiplayer going for the time being until (if/when) the Linux issues get solved?
If you don’t have a motherboard with a TPM in it by now, then you’re way overdue for an upgrade anyway.
My I7 7700k is a good processor. It serves my needs from office work, to software dev, to gaming, to video production. I’ll eventually retire this machine, but that’s at least a year off, and even then, it’ll be repurposed since it’s an extremely capable machine.
I shouldn’t have to upgrade because MS made an arbitrary decision to not support capable hardware after telling me Win10 was the last Windows OS. Nah, I’m switching everything over to Linux and using the hardware I have now instead of creating e-waste.
Or you add the chip and it still doesn’t want to upgrade because you don’t have secure boot enabled.
Can you do that?
Mine is a bios upgrade to add the feature apparently.
But I deliberately left it non-upgraded so I didn’t get forced into 11.
Can I still upgrade or am I too late?
One of the requirements is full secureboot and recovery arrangements that didn’t exist when I installed back in the 8 days. Now I can reinstall over the old drive and that will do all the plumbing that enables 11. So the hardware is 11 compatible, but the existing software install isn’t.
*Edit to answer the question, no, it’s not too late. Most compatible CPUs have a lesser firmware TPM, but most mobos have a slot for a vendor specific hardware TPM. Which is what I got.
Buddy, some of them still use windows 7😅
really? how can i use win 7 right now?, are there any issues using win 7 rn?
Well as long as you don’t connect to the internet
I’m certain there would be a pile of unpatched vulnerabilities with windows 7.
I would not recommend it.
oh okay, make sense… linux then… thank you sir
pardon my english
I still use it on my living room PC to this day. No issues so far (steam still works fine as well).
Just like anything make sure you have backups and watch your accounts.
8.1 was slightly better
Gross
They’re right though. 8.1 had the best of both 7 and 10, with none of the bloat. Only reason why I stopped using it was because I was forced to because literally no one supported it. Which is a damn shame cause it was considerably better than 7. Just got a bad rep because of 8.0.
Naw.
Mostly I just hate the start screen :P
