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This war has nothing to do with any people’s right to self determination. It is a clash between two imperialist powers. Russia’s actions are criminal and cruel and it needs to be stopped. The same goes for China and even more so the DPRK. But the fastest way to do so is to end the war asap. Just because one imperialism is less atrocious doesn’t mean it should be a permissible leftist policy to support imperialism. That’s what the socdems did in Europe in 1914, and it cost the working class a golden opportunity to revolt. In an imperialist war, the left should always want their own bourgeois state to lose, because it weakens it and makes it easier to topple. On neither side is it the ruling class that is suffering and dying - it’s working class people with their views clouded by nationalism, propaganda, and the promise of money or freedom from prison.
What Karl Liebknecht said over 100 years ago has lost nothing of its truth - The main enemy is at home.
Yogthos is always here to provide the shittiest of takes and the most phallical of fallacies.
It almost feels like posting yogthos is cheating
I honestly can’t tell if these .ml guys in these discussions are trolling or just spouting retarded nonsense and calling everyone a Nazi for the sake of it
Hey, no judgement, but we’re trying to cut down use of the r-term around here, as a courtesy to those who it’s been used to unfairly hurt. Just for future reference.
Heh, he is pretty accurate in this =)
Yogthos is a clown
Yogthos drank the vatnik koolaid.
When in ml, do as the red fascists do.
I dont get how tankies can support a “communist” nation like China that has an investor class and whose system requires the mistreatment of the proletariat.
“Because they’ll eventually take away their wealth or kill them” is an argument I’ve actually seen on .ml. I’m not against the sentiment of getting rid of the capitalists but cmon, when someone says China isn’t socialist and points at a clearly capitalist behavior you can’t be “it’s still socialist because the capitalist thing will be fixed in the future”. Then every country might as well be socialist, we’ll just fix capitalism at some later date.
At least China goes through the motions of being Communist. They also somehow support 21st century Russia which is just openly an authoritarian oligarchy.
My ‘favorite’ is when they defend clerical fascism in Iran as some kind of fantastic anti-capitalist development,
Don’t worry, someone will be along shortly to recommend 2000 pages of communist literature that wouldn’t even prove their point even if you read it all.
Because they don’t support communism. They just like one version of ogliarchy better than the other.
They’re authoritarians not communists ie. the ole schtick.
Yogthos is the kind of piece of shit that “critically supports” bombing Ukrainian kindergartens and maternity wards as long as, somewhere in the world, at least one Western tear is shed over it. Blocking them makes the fediverse far less unpleasant.
Wonder why that user account is above the rules of the instance and its communities. The modlog is full of examples which should apply to their behavior as well
They’re a mod of several .ml communities. Just like every communist dictatorship, laws and rules don’t matter when it’s the one in charge breaking them.
One of the best decisions I’ve made
Average Yogthos verbal vomit.
Wut? Was he talking about the previous Ukrainian government, sponsored by Russia™? I can’t make sense of what he is saying, actually.
Dude doesn’t know about Euromaidan. I wish some of these children would go to russia.
They like the idea of Russia, not actual Russia.
I had to reread it a few times myself, but I’m pretty sure that’s what he’s talkin about
Because everyone knows Russia is well known for their totally legit free and fair elections/s
i got a veteran friend who would not take kindly to people saying her country should be permanently tied to a country whose name she refuses to spell correctly. the .ml tankists have, apparently, no concept of a false flag operation
When Russia interferes, it’s fair and democratic elections, when the weat spens a few million on pro-democracy and anti-corruption initiatives it’s Western election interference and bad.
When Russia interferes, it’s fair and democratic elections, when the west spens a few million on pro-democracy and anti-corruption initiatives it’s Western election interference and bad.
Or they argue in bad faith.
I hope so because I don’t want to believe people can be so stupid they can probably not breathe and walk simultaneously.
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Huh. And here I thought Yogthos was a Chinese plant. Turns out they like the taste of Russian leather just the same.
For those who like me can’t read the original meme text:
“Leftists” whose political opinions on China, DPR Korea, Cuba, Israel, and Ukraine mirror the U.S. State Department’s position
And then the face the person is seeing in the mirror is a clown.
I wouldn’t have even tried to engage on the China / N Korea / Ukraine side of the analogy. The other one is a lot more absurd. I don’t think there is any non-trivial number of “leftists” on Lemmy who think that Israel “has a right to defend herself” and deserves tons of weapons, or that Cuba is a terrorist state.
Israel “has a right to defend herself”
It does but what it does far exceeds legitimate defence. And what it does also isn’t building Zionism because antagonising people goes directly against the goal of creating a place for Jews to live in peace and prosperity.
I gave up on it when the fucker killed Rabin and it’s been a constant slide into full-on fascism since then, as in, fascist modes of thinking captured more and more of Israeli politics to the point where even the left is largely cooked. They may disavow what Amir did but they still share his outlook towards “security”. They may not be actively genocidal but still support “antagonise until Palestinians give up”. The situation is fucked in pretty much every way that a situation can possibly be fucked.
Fully agreed. If it wasn’t clear from my quotation marks, I think Israel is now actively exterminating a civilian population, after pursuing a policy of slow extermination spanning back for decades, with the goal of eventually eradicating the state and people of Palestine completely. And that policy of slow extermination led to the atrocities of October 7th as an absolutely predictable consequence. I put quotes around “defend herself” because that’s how the State Department talks about it, but nothing Israel is doing right now makes any sense in that context or any other aside from exterminating Palestinians as fast as they can get away with. Netanyahu refusing to say if he agrees to the current latest cease-fire in exchange for getting all the hostages back before they’re all dead, is just yet another prime example from today.
He doesn’t want the hostages back. He wants to kill Palestinians, and if them having hostages makes that easier, then he’s in favor of them keeping the hostages. I don’t know why anyone who writes about geopolitics buys into the ludicrous framework of it being any other way, let alone this fantasy of “defend herself.” I get why the State Department says that. They’re lying on purpose to accomplish their goals. What the newspapers are doing when they say it, I couldn’t tell you.
I saw this and it was the trigger I needed to finally block that community. I’m still trying to figure out how to block .ml entirely.
I’m still trying to figure out how to block .ml entirely.
I think this only becomes available to you if your instance is on a certain version.
But we shouldn’t just do instance blocks, that’s just ignoring the problem. We should all be on the lookout for this kinda BS so we can screenshot, compile and eventually petition our respective instance admins to defederate.
As well as cross-posting any good material you come across from a .ml comm to any other non-.ml comm
Nah, you call out tankie bullshit on .ml, they ban you on every /c
Lol you can catch a .ml site-ban for calling out their BS in other instances too, they dgaf
I got banned for calling xi winnie, zero regrets
Here take this:
Awww yiss, now i got profile bling
Lmaooo these dingos think Kim jong un will holler at them if they suck his e-weiner enough
Pooh doesn’t have a penis, he’s been pantsless for like a hundred years I think someone would see it by now.
