My guy, I grew up listening to my grandfather’s tales of working in a factory; my mother likewise worked in a factory, and though miserable, had a very different experience that I grew up listening to her talk about. If you want, we can discuss harder data points - hours worked per year, pay, healthcare, safety standards, worker protections, sexual harassment…
This is such a fucking privileged liberal take. Whatever, keep believing the lives of the working class are improving until the same working class votes the fascists in, out of sheer desperation. That’ll work…
So you don’t want to talk harder data points, because that might confront you with the fact that politics aren’t spiritual manichaean bullshit, and instead require an analysis of the complex interactions of conflicting power bases. Also, the idea that the working class is voting fascists in ‘out of sheer desperation’ is an insanely city-liberal take, for the record. You may as well have said that after having breakfast at some rural diner and writing an op-ed waxing poetic about the beauty of the simple rural life a month before the election.
I understand the obsessive materialism of modernism is (rightly) out-of-vogue, but retreating to a positively medieval worldview of political ideology is not the solution.
Alright mate, then everyone’s lives are improving, but people are too stupid and brainwashed to see it. You’re there to scold them the right way. Good luck with that.
Alright mate, the everyone’s lives is improving, but people are too stupid and brainwashed to see it.
Most people’s lives are materially improving.
That’s not enough.
Those two things are not mutually exclusive. The recognition that we’re getting more scraps than we were before is not justification for only receiving scraps - we deserve more than scraps
We are better poised now to see the inequalities and oppression which has long-been-present in society - arguably always been present. We have the tools of communication and education to observe it clearly, and we have the tools to fight it.
People are stupid and brainwashed, but not in feeling dissatisfied with the current state of affairs. Typically, the stupidity and brainwashing comes in play when asking them what is causing their dissatisfaction with the current state of affairs.
You’re there to scold them the right way.
Man, I’m asking that people vote in addition to direct action. It’s not a big ask. I promise.
I mean, we’re both regulars on here. Some rando I probably would’ve told to fuck off, but @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com has a good head on his shoulders, and I trust that I can have a legitimate argument with him and that he’s acting in good faith.
My guy, I grew up listening to my grandfather’s tales of working in a factory; my mother likewise worked in a factory, and though miserable, had a very different experience that I grew up listening to her talk about. If you want, we can discuss harder data points - hours worked per year, pay, healthcare, safety standards, worker protections, sexual harassment…
This is such a fucking privileged liberal take. Whatever, keep believing the lives of the working class are improving until the same working class votes the fascists in, out of sheer desperation. That’ll work…
So you don’t want to talk harder data points, because that might confront you with the fact that politics aren’t spiritual manichaean bullshit, and instead require an analysis of the complex interactions of conflicting power bases. Also, the idea that the working class is voting fascists in ‘out of sheer desperation’ is an insanely city-liberal take, for the record. You may as well have said that after having breakfast at some rural diner and writing an op-ed waxing poetic about the beauty of the simple rural life a month before the election.
I understand the obsessive materialism of modernism is (rightly) out-of-vogue, but retreating to a positively medieval worldview of political ideology is not the solution.
Alright mate, then everyone’s lives are improving, but people are too stupid and brainwashed to see it. You’re there to scold them the right way. Good luck with that.
Most people’s lives are materially improving.
That’s not enough.
Those two things are not mutually exclusive. The recognition that we’re getting more scraps than we were before is not justification for only receiving scraps - we deserve more than scraps
We are better poised now to see the inequalities and oppression which has long-been-present in society - arguably always been present. We have the tools of communication and education to observe it clearly, and we have the tools to fight it.
People are stupid and brainwashed, but not in feeling dissatisfied with the current state of affairs. Typically, the stupidity and brainwashing comes in play when asking them what is causing their dissatisfaction with the current state of affairs.
Man, I’m asking that people vote in addition to direct action. It’s not a big ask. I promise.
Absolutely deluded.
I invite you to do some study on contemporary American history. The recent past will horrify you, I promise.
Bros that’s crazy. Are you bots or just care about the opinion of randos online a lot?
db0 literally runs one of the major instances, he isn’t a bot. Neither is Pug, who is a regular poster on here.
I mean, we’re both regulars on here. Some rando I probably would’ve told to fuck off, but @db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com has a good head on his shoulders, and I trust that I can have a legitimate argument with him and that he’s acting in good faith.