Lots here, but these are the juicy parts:
Donald Trump’s running mate, JD Vance, said that professional women “choose a path to misery” when they prioritize careers over having children in a September 2021 podcast interview in which he also claimed men in America were “suppressed” in their masculinity.
The Ohio senator and vice-presidential candidate said of women like his classmates at Yale Law School that “pursuing racial or gender equity is like the value system that gives their life meaning … [but] they all find that that value system leads to misery”.
Vance also sideswiped the Minnesota congresswoman Ilhan Omar, a one-time Somali refugee, claiming she had shown “ingratitude” to America, and that she “would be living in a craphole” had she not moved to the US.
Of Afghans who assisted US troops during the occupation of that country who were now seeking to come to America, Vance asked whether “certain groups of people can successfully become American citizens”, and said those hostile to Minneapolis’s Somali American community “don’t like people getting hatcheted in the street in [their] own community”.
At the same time, Vance claimed that “the left uses racism as a cudgel”, and that he had been a “little too worried” in the past about such accusations because they can be “career-ending” and “destroy a person’s life”.
At about 39 minutes into the recording, when asked what he saw inside elite institutions like Yale Law School that made him view them as corrupt, Vance answered: “You have women who think that truly the liberationist path is to spend 90 hours a week working in a cubicle at McKinsey instead of starting a family and having children.”
Vance added: “What they don’t realize – and I think some of them do eventually realize that, thank God – is that that is actually a path to misery. And the path to happiness and to fulfillment is something that these institutions are telling people not to do.
“The corruption is it puts people on a career pipeline that causes them to chase things that will make them miserable and unhappy,” Vance said. “And so they get in positions of power and then they project that misery and happiness on the rest of society.”
Minutes later, Vance adopted the perspective of a hypothetical professional woman to answer Sharma’s question about where “the racial and gender resentment comes from”.
“OK, clearly, this value set has made me a miserable person who can’t have kids because I already passed the biological period when it was possible,” Vance began, “And I live in a 1,200 sq ft apartment in New York and I pay $5,000 a month for it.”
He continued: “But I’m really better than these other people. What I’m going to do is project my, like, racial and gender sensitivities on the rest of them … even though the way that I think has made me a miserable person, I just need to make more people think like that.”
On the other hand, Vance depicted men and boys as “suppressed”, saying 52 minutes in that “one of the weird things about elite society is it’s deeply uncomfortable with masculinity”.
Warming to the theme, Vance said: “This is one weird thing that conservatives don’t talk about enough … We don’t talk enough about the fact that traditional masculine traits are now actively suppressed from childhood all the way through adulthood.”
Assessing his young son’s habit of fighting imaginary monsters, Vance said: “There’s something deeply cultural and biological, spiritual about this desire to defend his home and his family.”
He connected this with a hypothetical invasion: “If the Chinese invade us in 10 years, they’re going to be beaten back by boys like you who practice fighting the monsters who become proud men who defend their homes.”
By contrast, for Vance, “They’re not going to be defended by the soy boys who want to feed the monsters.”
At about 22 minutes into the recording, Vance mocked the claims of Afghan refugees to have helped the US military in its occupation, saying: “Apparently, Afghanistan is a country of translators and interpreters because every single person that’s coming in, that’s what they say is this person is: a translator and interpreter.”
He attributed the idea that the US should grant asylum to those who helped US forces to “the fraudulence of our elites”, saying: “You talk to people who served in Afghanistan. And one of the things they will tell you is, yeah, a lot of the translators and interpreters who helped us were great guys.”
Vance added, however, that “a lot of the interpreters who said they were helping us were actively helping terrorists plant roadside bombs, knowing our routes”, without substantiating the claim.
Vance continued: “The idea that every person in Afghanistan, even those who said they were helping us, are actually good people is a total joke.”
Vance expressed similar skepticism about another immigrant group, while characterizing himself and others as victims of the left.
At about 25 minutes into the recording, Solheim said: “There’s like a whole section of downtown Minneapolis that they call Little Mogadishu. Like that’s what they call it. There’s nothing in English. People are frequently hatcheted to death in the street.”
Solheim added: “I was just down there a couple of weeks ago. It’s like a totally different country.”
Replying, Vance said: “The thing that I hate about this is the left uses racism as a cudgel. And I myself was guilty of being a little worried about that. Like, I don’t want to be called a racist because I knew it can be career-ending and they can destroy a person’s life.”
Vance then asked, rhetorically, “Why don’t you want, you know, people getting hatcheted in the street in downtown Minneapolis? Is it because you’re a racist or is it because you don’t like people getting hatcheted in the street in your own community?”
“Like, obviously, the answer is the latter,” he concluded. “But the left uses racism as a cudgel to shut us up and to make it impossible to complain about obvious problems.”
Last July, not long after being named as Trump’s VP pick, Vance suggested in a speech that Democrats would describe drinking Diet Mountain Dew as racist. The comment backfired and was widely mocked.
At about 28 minutes in, Sharma said: “You know, thinking about the Minnesota example, specifically, that’s how you get someone like Ilhan Omar, who despises the country.”
Vance replied, “I mean, [the US] gave her an incredible amount of opportunity and she has a complete lack of gratitude,” later adding: “My family has been here as far as I can tell for nine, 10, like many generations. I’ve never heard a person in my family express the ingratitude towards this country that Ilhan Omar does towards this country.
“And look, this is the way the laws work. This country belongs to Ilhan Omar in the same way that it belongs to me,” Vance allowed.
“But my God, show a little appreciation for the fact that you would be living in a craphole if this country didn’t bring you to a place that has obviously its problems, but has a lot of prosperity, too,” he concluded.
Vance also talked about institutions like universities and the media as components of a “broken elite system”, and portrayed their inhabitants as enemies whom conservatives would need to reckon with.
“There is no way for a conservative to accomplish our vision of society unless we’re willing to strike at the heart of the beast. That’s the universities.”
On the other hand, Vance depicted men and boys as “suppressed”, saying 52 minutes in that “one of the weird things about elite society is it’s deeply uncomfortable with masculinity”.
Warming to the theme, Vance said: “This is one weird thing that conservatives don’t talk about enough … We don’t talk enough about the fact that traditional masculine traits are now actively suppressed from childhood all the way through adulthood.”
This is literally all you talk about, you fucking chuds.
I’m really curious which traits are being suppressed here. Being a dick to everyone while flexing went out of fashion a while ago because most of mainstream society started valuing intelligence over brawn. Masculinity isn’t being suppressed, but toxic masculinity is being frowned up. I wish these chucklefucks would elaborate more often.
Regressives like him want to return to bullying anyone who doesn’t confirm to their thoughts on cishet Christianity. That’s what they consider masculine, you guessed exactly right.
Tim Walz had a great interview the other day where he talked about how when you get specific all MAGA arguments break down. They’re riding on vibes here, not ideas.
The one weird thing is vance
Man this guy is weird.
And a major asshole.
More like a general asshole. Or even a brigadier general asshole.
Joint Chief Asshole
He’s the real Trump Jr.
I never believed in the elites-are-lizard-people conspiracy until JD Vance. He doesn’t understand a single goddamn facet of human society, its fucking baffling.
How the fuck is this guy married?! I feel so bad for his daughters
He won’t be by the time he’s done, his family will all be extremely ashamed to be around him and will flee like Musk’s.
The day this defective automaton was picked as VP, I told everyone I know (and who would listen) that Trump just lost himself the election. Nobody else I know IRL had any idea who JD Vance was at the time. Thanks, JD, for proving me right so far.
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It’s odd, isn’t it? There are dozens of things, that if different, could be enough to put Trump on top.
Vance is one, but so are others. Like felonies, Arlington cemetery, reproductive rights, and January 6th.
I think it’s a bit much to say he’s the major thing costing Trump the election
White women are Trump’s biggest voting bloc.
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Here’s one, but there are many articles and polls detailing how white women skew Republican. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-elections/exit-polls/
Note that although this shows white men skew even more Republican, they are a smaller share of the electorate and have lower turnout.
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White voters have the highest turnout by nearly double digits, and white women consistently turn out about 5% more than white men. Combine this with the fact that women are about 52% of the population and the math is clear.
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Major projection going on from Jizzy Daybed. When he says this stuff, it sounds like he was really miserable at his venture capital job, and that his escape was reassuring himself with his value system, saying “at least I’m a manly man, unlike these other feminine elites”. God forbid he embraces his feminine side and spends time with his family.
Weirdo who can only talk about his ideal vision for women, invasions from China, and how every black and brown person is a violent conman.
Weirdo who can only talk about his ideal vision for women, invasions from China, and how every black and brown person is a violent conman.
Who the fuck married this shit stain?
served as a law clerk for Amul Thapar of the District Court for the Eastern District of Kentucky from 2013 to 2014, Brett Kavanaugh on the Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit from 2014 to 2015, and Chief Justice of the United States John Roberts from 2017 to 2018
Oh, some lawyer who clerks for Trump judges and conservative SCOTUS POS assholes apparently.
And is still an active lawyer, so Vance is attacking his wife as well “who should go back to the kitchen” to paraphrase his own wording.
Updoot for jizzy daybed
“The corruption is it puts people on a career pipeline that causes them to chase things that will make them miserable and unhappy,” Vance said. “And so they get in positions of power and then they project that misery and happiness on the rest of society.”
He’s not wrong, except it’s anyone in that pipeline not just women, and the alternative isn’t necessarily childbearing. But of course this thought isn’t anywhere near his pumpkin.
They’re not going to be defended by the soy boys who want to feed the monsters.
He really is just the typical, always online, alt-right loser. Same as Steven Cheung accusing people of “Trump Derangement Syndrome” during the ongoing Arlington scandal.
Yes, using “Soy Boy” in a political speech as a moniker for the liberal male youth is pathetic. This should be a major red flag for all voters.
There was a recent interview Adam Conover did with Elle Reeve, who is an expert in things like white supremacist culture, and her thesis (which I think is right) is that all these guys like Vance spent their youth on 4Chan and never left the 4Chan bubble and think that everyone has that mindset. That explains him saying things like that and it also explains all of the racism and sexism they like to pass off as humor. They think everyone finds that sort of trolling to be funny.
From this new prospective, it makes so much sense why this guy and other alt-right-ers come off as soooo fucking weird. I’m gonna have to look up that interview!
Vance also sideswiped the Minnesota congresswoman Ilhan Omar, a one-time Somali refugee, claiming she had shown “ingratitude” to America, and that she “would be living in a craphole” had she not moved to the US.
Rather than seeing how incredible it is that she lifted herself from that situation and achieved success gaining access to the highest halls of power, he sees that she comes from a “craphole.” Real cool, JD.
The recording was initially published as an episode of the podcast of American Moment, a rightwing 501c3 non-profit whose website says its mission is to “identify, educate, and credential young Americans who will implement public policy that supports strong families, a sovereign nation, and prosperity for all”. At the time of the recording, Vance sat on the non-profit’s advisory board; he’s now listed under “board members emeritus” on the organization’s website.
Maybe someone needs to ask the IRS to have a look at the books for this org.
It was so tedious reading more of his same crap that I bailed on the article halfway or so. His garbage ideas are the same everywhere he goes. I think I’m gonna stop opening these for a lack of variation.
JD Vance is a shit person and he’s provided receipts to back that claim.
JD Vance, said that professional women “choose a path to misery”
I imagine that having to deal with misogynistic fuckheads like him would make any woman in the office miserable.
You know, I, too, am sick of hearing of all of the hatcheting of people in Minneapolis. All day, every day, I wake up to it and ask why. I mean, the streets are littered with hatched dead bodies. Hatchets everywhere.
Fucking dipshit weirdo.
I haven’t been to every single one, but I’ve been to a lot of major American cities and Minneapolis was one of the nicer, cleaner, safer-feeling ones. Dude hasn’t even spent any time there.
Anyone else think Vance has a breeding kink?
I guess it’s just necessary to keep the white population in the majority. /s
I will say he got one thing right on accident: working 90 hours a week on your career isn’t a path to happiness. But that’s not a gender thing, that’s a workers rights thing. Not even heads of companies should be working like that. It negatively impacts your mind, your body, and your happiness. It’s a quick path to misery that gives you the ability to tell yourself you’re better than everyone else so you start deciding that the people under you who take time off for their loved ones and hobbies, and who work full time and not a minute more are lazy and don’t deserve nice things like a house or a shortened work week.
But he’s gotta be a little freak about it
Thanks for the summary. I had a great chuckle.
So much is getting revealed about him now.