• Buelldozer@lemmy.today
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    9 months ago

    It was always that way, the problem was that they wouldn’t give out permits to anyone.

      • Sir_Kevin@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        9 months ago

        That only applies to law abiding citizens. To be fair though this is Hawaii we’re talking about so I imagine it’s much harder to obtain a gun illegally there.

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          9 months ago

          Considering the easiest way to get a gun “illegally” is to buy one in the bordering state with the most lax gun laws and then smuggle it back into your state, yeah, getting one in Hawaii is probably more difficult than getting one in Mexico.

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            9 months ago

            I hate this argument because it shows just how little people know about gun laws.

            It’s federally illegal to buy a pistol outside of your home state. You can’t just go to a gun shop the next state over and buy a Glock 17.

            For long guns, the seller must follow the laws of the state in which it is sold AND in which the buyer lives.

            When I sold guns and someone from New Jersey wanted to buy a rifle, they had to produce their New Jersey permit and I to do the New Jersey background check and waiting period on top of the NICS background check required federally. I had to reference New Jersey laws and could only sell guns that were legal in that state.

            We had a spreadsheet we kept up to date with every firearm we had in stock, new or used, listing whether it was legal in each state.

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                9 months ago

                The argument I’m replying to is that criminals are buying guns in neighboring states because the laws are looser and they can get away with it.

                But the laws regarding buying a gun outside one’s home state are federal, and don’t change from state to state. A California resident buying a Glock 43 in Texas is no more legal than them buying it in California. In fact - it’s moreso. Buying it in California is just buying a gun illegally by California law. Buying it in Texas is violating California, Texas, and Federal law, and then illegally smuggling the gun afterwards.