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    Good news is you’re alive bad new is you have to transition again

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      Worse would be appendicitis

      here’s your appendix back, unfortunately it’s malfunction wasn’t a wound

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        The malfunction is temporary, it would work for at least a bit longer, until the next malfunction, ofc ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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      “Hmm… My pants seem a tad uncomfortable what’s that abou-”

      Deep Sigh

      “Gods blast it all where did I put that Gum Arabic?”

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      Transition doesn’t make you lose body parts though (and, if anything, tends to make you gain more), so I hope it wouldn’t affect it lol.

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        FtM top surgery and MtF bottom surgery both cause you to lose body parts (breasts and testicles respectively). MtF top surgery and FtM bottom surgery usually cause you to gain the same body parts. The only situation where a transition causes people to gain body parts without losing any is hormonal therapy for transfemme people without surgery.

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        I guess the magical version might not cause wounds or loss of limbs but depending on how the magics interact it still might reset you somewhat

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          The way I’d do it is cockatrice + Stone Shape. I wonder what exactly that would do to your body parts.

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        Gotta say it’s funny to me how this fact is so shocking to people yet male circumcision is so commonplace a lot of women won’t even touch a non circumcised penis.

        This isn’t tryna be whataboutism it’s just genuinely ironically funny to me

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          To be fair, female circumcision is far more horrific than male circumcision. It often involves cutting or burning off the clitoris and is explicitly a method of controling the sexuality of women.

          That said, male circumcision is also bullshit and a violation of bodily autonomy.

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            Like I said I get it.

            But it can easily be boiled down to, the torture of this baby is fine but the torture of that baby is abhorrent.

            Kinda like the orphan crushing machine. Why are we torturing babies at all?

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              So you don’t get it? The reason is obviously some people find one thing less bad than the other and objectively speaking FGM is worse than male circumcision.

              For (I believe) most people in the world both are bad. You can be against both and still see a difference. What is shocking about that?

              To believe someone is pro male circumcision just because they think (several types of) FGM are worse is zero-sum thinking.

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                You’re the one who doesn’t get that my point is why are we fucking with infants genitals at all.

                It really doesn’t matter which method is worse than the other.

                That’s why I brought up the orphan crushing machine. A story about someone saving orphans, from an orphan crushing machine, is seen as something to be celebrated. Yet no one questions why there’s an orphan crushing machine to begin with.

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                  You explicitly wrote that you are shocked people react differently. The reason is they have different practices in mind. In context of that question this difference does matter.

                  That doesn’t have anything to do with whether or not you are against both practices or not.

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            there’s actually a pretty broud spectrum of procedures referred to as female circumcision. most of them are far more extreme than male circumcision, but type 1a is basically equivalent, though by far a minority. other forms are even worse than you’ve described.

            but i’ve also got to point out that male circumcision is also explicitely a method of sexual control, among other excuses. a major reason it ever caught on in america was in an effort to prevent masturbation.

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              Interestingly, clitoral hood reduction, which would be the most similar to male circumcision, is sometimes done voluntarily to improve sensation.

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          Female speaking up here: They’re missing out then, circumcised penises have never been as much fun as uncircumcised. The sex is just better when their dick is unmutilated. Trust me when I say I have tried both and know the difference. Even if they were mutilated at birth.

          Also, as an added bonus, people who are uncut tend to have better hygiene, and know how to clean their bits! Circumcised people are never as clean. I mean ew. Honestly. It shouldn’t be so difficult. This is all anecdotal of course, but so far true for every encounter. Clean your dicks, people! Your lady friend will notice.

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        You havent truly lived unless youve watched a crazy drunk white girl from Florida perform a DIY clitorodectomy in glorious 320p on some shitty cam website in 2003.

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      Also circumcision is an earth/human/Christian thing. Pretty sure no dnd religions even mention it, but I could be wrong about that.

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        Circumcision is such a big thing in Islam that Muslim men are generally circumcised. Some Muslim cultures even circumcise girls, which naturally causes horrible suffering.

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          It’s a many cultures thing. My point was it’s an earth religions thing, not a dnd religions thing

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            It’s specifically NOT a Christian thing, although many Christians are circumcised for non-religious reasons.

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              that is most definitely incorrect. I don’t know where you heard that, but it’s just absolutely wrong.

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                “Where I heard that” is from the Christian Bible.

                Consider Philippians, Chapter 3, Verse 2.

                Philippians 3:2 in Other Translations

                2 Watch out for those dogs, those people who do evil, those mutilators who say you must be circumcised to be saved.

                Because not everyone knows this stuff: this is text from one of the Epistles (Latin for “letters”) which are attributed to Paul of Tarsus also known as Saint Paul the Apostle. Apostle means one of the chief disciples of Jesus Christ. The Epistles provide instruction to early Christians on how to organize their churches.

                @Archpawn@lemmy.world posts another relevant passage.

                What made you disagree?

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                  The bible says a lot of things that Christian churches do not teach. Quoting anything in the old testament you might as well just say that Christianity teaches that you shouldn’t have long hair or ear piercings, which is clearly not true. That verse also does not say what you think it does. It says that you should watch out for people who say you “must” be circumcised to be saved. I’ve never heard anyone say that anywhere. That doesn’t mean it’s not encouraged in the church. That doesn’t mean it’s not taught. That doesn’t mean it’s not done as part of baptism (as it has been at literally every christian church I’ve seen). But yeah, of course no one is going around saying you won’t be saved unless you do so. That doesn’t make it “NOT a Christian thing”.

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                I heard it in Acts 15:5-11

                5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”

                6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

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                  The Gentiles must be circumcised

                  Nobody is saying anyone must be circumcised. But it is encouraged and usually forced upon children in christian churches through baptism. Your verse does not say what you think it does. See my reply above.

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    This is exactly the kind of RAW debate nonsense that I play DnD for.

    So, what about the whole belly-button and umbilical cord situation? That might be on the line as far as “mortal wounds” or “missing body parts” go.

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      Random fun fact: there is a German roleplaying system (Das Schwarze Auge) which explicitly mentions that elves do not have belly buttons, because the “wound” gets magically healed right after the cut. There is a lot of similar weird official canon that occasionally makes me wonder what TH they smoked at the time of writing their rulebooks.

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          Sure, why not? ;) Sorry that most of the sources are in German, but I don’t know about relieable English sources.

          • Orcs are big, bulky warriors with green skin and very little hair in almost all other franchises. DSA has a bad case of “our XYZ are different than yours!” for most of their species, so their orcs are covered from head to toe in thick, black fur (they’re condescendingly called “Schwarzpelze” / “blackfurs” by other races) and are noticably smaller than humans. Think of small, dark wookies with big teeth. Orcs generally don’t view women as people - not even their own! Female orcs are called by a name that allegedly translates to “animals that birth orcs” and they’re generally treated like livestock.

           

          • Goblins got the same weird “ours are different” overhaul. In almost all other franchises they’re the smaller, big-eared, smooth-skinned green people, but in DSA they’re basically orange monkeys (some official art) who ride swine and are literally incapable of understanding where babies come from because the “goblin queen” (Kunga Suula) held a ritual to permanently erase specific traits of that species, these being: understanding what fatherhood means, understanding what personal property is, understanding any type of death rites (they just toss deceased relatives to their swines), understanding loyalty of any kind. A bit more info here: https://pnpforum.de/viewtopic.php?t=56697 … and the “best” part is that this ritual was held to protect the tribes from the Nameless (basically the main antagonist) because that entity often corrupts people by false promises appealing to their desires, like promising to liberate a folk from harsh conditions or protecting their loved ones and the like. A Goblin who doesn’t care for his offspring or friends won’t be tempted by that, right? Extremely weird way to protect your people IMHO, but canon.

           

          • Elves, at least the “purebred” ones, never have unwanted pregnancies. They can f*ck all they want and won’t need protection or birth control, because elven babies have to be “called from the light” which is basically just a ritual to make a female elf pregnant. No idea what this ritual is supposed to look like, but sex isn’t necessarily involved. Elves having fun with other races, that’s a different topic tho, and might lead to an inconvenient surprise when the elf in question suddenly understands why other races don’t have / need such a ritual…

           

          • Elves start out incapable of digesting fermented or highly processed stuff. The entire race is basically lactose intolerant and “spice-tolerant” like a Brit until they VERY slowly get used to eating human meals. The Elven language (isdira) is also basically unlearnable by other races, because elves speak with two voices at once, so a single elf sounds like two different people saying the same thing at the same time, and THAT in turn is a prequisite for the correct pronounciation of a lot of elvish words. Like I said earlier; I really wonder what TH the creators smoked … I also faintly remember reading somewhere that the second voice comes out of their nose when they say two different things at the same time, but I can’t for the life of me find the source for that so take it with a grain of salt. It might have been a fan theory. Some more info here: https://dsaforum.de/viewtopic.php?t=51042

           

          • Every single person on the continent Aventurien has a “soul animal” that represents their character traits. They may not know about it, or may know that such a thing exists but don’t know WHICH soul animal they are associated with, but there are magic spells to “see” said soul animal in others to give the spellcaster an insight of the spell-targets soul. If for example a wizard casts that spell on a person claiming to be a war veteran and they see a battered, scarred, old lion then the wizard will know the other guy speaks true, whereas if their soul animal turns out to be a stressed-looking chicken or something like that, then that guy is probably a liar.

           

          • Simlar to that, witches usually have an animal companion that is basically a separate part of their own soul, so it should be identical to the soul-animal of the witch in question. The rulebook suggests some “classics” like crows, black cats and frogs, but any regular (non-magical) animal between the size of a bunny and a cow is okay to use when creating the character. You want your witch to have a monkey, goat or tortoise as a companion? Go ahead. Witches also have some …unusual spells. They can make their saliva have healing or damaging properties, so they can heal wounds by licking them but also melt the face of an attacker by spitting at them. And they can reanimate and move “dead” wood. The witch of one of my regular players once was in a situation where she was tied to a chair, and she decided to make the chair run away with her still on top while their captors weren’t looking. We had to pause the session for a while because everyone was laughing so hard at the mental image of a tied-up 80-something wrinkled old lady galloping through the streets on an effing chair, yelling “so long, suckers!”

           

          • There is a goddess named Rahja, who stands for lust and love and joy. One of her “Alveranians” (basically angels) carried her child to term in her stead, to spare the goddess the pain of having to birth the child herself. The thing is … that Alveranian was a man. I do NOT want to think about this any further.

           

          So…yeah. There you go. One big serving of coversation starters ;)

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            Honestly, their orcs don’t seem odd so much as old. Green orcs mostly come from Warhammer and Warcraft and were backported into DnD after they became popular enough to be the default. Dark, hairy, and short isn’t actually far off from how Tolkien described his orcs.

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            I’ve seen The Dark Eye at book and game store in the past, but I’ve always passed it by. Thanks largely to this comment, I will now be spending a lot of money on it.

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            That animal companion thing sounds like the daemons in His Dark Materials, which is cool.

            Lots of neat unusual concepts there too, I like. Though using familiar names like orc and goblin just makes things confusing. They should have come up with different names for their weird races.

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              It’s basically that, minus the ability to talk (the “daemons” in HDM can talk like people, whereas the soul animals in DSA can only talk telepathically with their respective witch). The only other difference is that a witches’ companion is usually born elsewhere and has to find their witch in the real world later, which usually happens when the witch is around seven years old and her magic awakens. IIRC the daemons in HDM are somehow born alongside their respective humans and keep shapeshifting until they settle for a matching animal form eventually.

              I fully agree with the name change tho. I mean, it should not have been that hard to just stick to Blackfurs and Redfurs for orcs & goblins when they’re “nicknamed” that way in the actual game anyway. Both races also have noticably different names for themselves in the game (goblins call themselves Suulak, for example) so that would have been yet another option for a unique name. No need to call these fictional races by a name that most people already associate with very specific traits and then go out of your way to make them “different”.

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      To be fair, most ear piercings are not “cored”, but merely punctured. Considering all phalanges begin as flippers, would this spell also render the target a better swimmer, as well? 🤣😜

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          Personally, I’m fond of healing potions, when used in lieu of common sense after the fact, posting a risk of addiction (likewise, arcane healing spells) as a cautionary lesson to would-be murder-hobos dabbling in meta-dickery at the table. 🤘🏼

          So, this is very on-brand for me, as well. 🤩🍿

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            would-be murder-hobos dabbling in meta-dickery at the table.

            DM: Oh, so we’re meta-gaming now? Is that why you keep executing my quest-givers and plot-leads? Hold my ale.

            But seriously, as a DM I’m chill with some meta-ness if it fits the “rule of cool” and doesn’t break the game or story into unusable pieces. Then again, my style is heavily improvised so they can’t break much in the way of grand plans (there aren’t any). Besides, I can always call down some deity and rewrite physics to my liking, so the risk is basically nil.

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          So, if an intentional body modification is a “wound”, I guess that means the spell doesn’t differentiate and mundane sex changes would also be reversed? 🥲🤷🏼‍♂️

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            I feel like puncturing a hole is pretty clearly a wound, but having a cockatrice petrifying someone and casting Stone Shape (which I assume is how sex changes and cosmetic surgery works) probably wouldn’t be a wound.

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      • Where does your body end and your mom’s begin?
      • What happens to all of the dead cells that you shed throughout your life?
      • Oh, you had cancer removed and were in remission? Sorry…
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      I would say that “missing” implies that in some sense the body parts ought to be there but the umbilical cord ought not to be there in both the “natural” and the “desired” senses.

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      What about scar tissue? Does it get cleaned up? People who have been in a lot of fights tend to have a big build-up of scar tissue. Also, what about calluses? Does the warrior suddenly have baby-soft skin, losing the calluses he/she built up over years of training with the sword?

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      Also the classic question of does a lock of hair or a drop of blood count as a body with (a lot of) missing parts?

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      The RAW debate nonsense I like makes the game unplayable. It’s what I argue online for. Though I suppose people probably debate RAW while playing and just don’t actually play that way.

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        I’ll admit, I’m coming from a very heartfelt and argumentative place. For instance, my brother and his friends complained that Warhammer 40k 2nd edition ruined the game because they made the rules clearer. It upended the whole dynamic by eliminating all the arguing.

        As a DM, I use moments like this as a way to let the players help craft house rules; this is the flavor for our game and it just feels like DnD that way.

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      But would it just immediately fall out again 'cause he’s still old, or does it rejuvenate the cells (making resurrection also a means of achieving immortality)?

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        He would go partially bald again over the next few months. His hair follicles are brought back fully functionally, but everything else remains the same - meaning whatever caused his partial baldness would repeat. You regrow stuff in the same condition it was removed at, but baldness happens because something else attacks you follicles or you simply don’t grow any new ones.

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        Resurrection makes you the age you were, unhurt

        If you want to be young again you want reincarnate

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        Resurrection makes you the age you were, unhurt

        If you want to be young again you want reincarnate

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        Diamonds can be made. It also clarifies worth. Meaning you could flood the market to make resurrection forever impossible or the opposite and make it so only your diamonds are worth anything. In which case you could basically print free diamonds with a pressure cooker and end up with infinite food.

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          That’s how you get either the god of gemcutting, the god of life, or the god of death to come, smite you in the dick, destroy your diamond-seeding secrets, and return to the realms of divinity having scrubbed your name from the footnotes of history

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    I have additional questions.

    I assume my appendix, which tried to kill me in 2007, would come back for a second chance. But what about parts of you that weren’t removed, just cut, burned, and stuffed back in the, ahem, bag?

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      I guess, if this were a thing, your appendix would come back, but it wouldn’t be infected.

      If it gets infected, you chug healing potions until you can cure disease or remove curse depending on the DM’s ruling.

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        Shed, or cut off. My hair used to be really long, so I know it could get long enough for me to trip over.

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    I would assume that it only affected those things that immediately led to the character’s death in the first place, but what’s the cut-off point (so to speak)? If I lost a finger earlier in the same battle, does that regrow, even though the finger by itself isn’t what led to my death? What if earlier in the day I lost a toe? And then also, what if you cut somebody down the middle and cast it on both halves (say at the same time)?

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      In the Mistborn series, some people can heal themselves if they stored “health” in gold (usually in the form of jewelry) prior to getting injured. The way it works is you only heal back to whatever state your mental cognition agrees constitutes your body just prior to getting injured. So if you had lost an eye a decade ago and now wear an eyepatch, and accept that that not having a working eye is what makes you you, but then get stabbed in the gut and need to heal, you will only heal the stabbed gut, and not the eye.

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        …well…

        Mental cognition is more important than the right before part, if we expand to the whole cosmere. The powers are different, yet also not that different, as their ultimate source is the same. Going into details would be spoilers for Stormlight and iirc Emperor’s Soul.

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          Ahh gotcha! I’m partway through The Lost Metal for now, and will probably start Stormlight afterwards.

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      And then also, what if you cut somebody down the middle and cast it on both halves (say at the same time)?

      Reminds me of an idea that I’m stealing from an anime for a warforged character. If you can make prosthetic versions of every organ and limb, and the brain can survive being cut in half (as it does for some folks with epilepsy)… What if someone had a full half of their body replaced by prosthetic limbs and organs, and the half of their body that was removed also got prosthetic limbs and organs, and you put one half of their brain in each body? Do you have two of the same person, or are they two different people now? …If one body dies, it’s unreasonable to think the other would too. So does each body have its own soul? Did we artificially make a soul?

      Now put the human back together. Did two souls merge, or is there still a soul floating around?

      …now put the prosthetics together. Does it now house that hypothetical soul? (Spoiler: it does in my campaign)

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      11 months ago

      I wonder if it restores removed body parts in their prior condition or in their optimal condition. Because some organs are removed for a good reason.

      And I’d be mad as fuck if I had to go through a hysterectomy again.