If that means progressives finally surging to run and vote in the Democratic primaries then great. Reminder that the Tea Party movement wasn’t ever a 3rd party, and a significant contributor to its success was the billionaire Koch brothers pouring money into state legislatures first, and US Congress second. A new minor party won’t succeed much beyond county level without nationwide electoral reform (ranked choice), and only 26 states have voter-led ballot initiatives (the rest require the legislature to approve direct ballot propositions).
I think the opposite is happening. The DNC is doubling/tripling down and the base keeps splintering and getting smaller.
https://www.kqed.org/news/12033207/sf-latinx-club-leaves-local-democratic-party
Progressives will be trying to build an alternative to the corporatist zionist dems. I think the party is more or less over. They no longer have the votes to win a national race, nor is any help coming from the right or the left. There is no trump bump because the democratic party doesnt seem useful now or able to win in the future. And zionists will keep it frozen this way because they prefer trump to dems anyway.
Progressives will be trying to build an alternative to the corporatist zionist dems.
But how? There are already multiple parties beyond the big two. Minor parties who have existed for decades. But only 3 of them were on the ballot in more than 10 states in 2024. There’s just no way, in voting math, that a new party can just drop in and take place. Local and county seats (your link about SF LatinX group), sure. But state and federal 3rd parties are a pipe dream.
If there are enough progressives to beat a Democratic candidate (not even win the general but just beat the Democratic candidate), then there enough to win the Democratic primary. And then there will be a chance to beat the Republican rather than splitting the vote. And if there aren’t, then splitting the vote just means more MAGA.
Without progressive support the dnc cant win a national election alone any more than we can.
Indeed I agree. Which is why I’m advocating for progressive candidates to run in the Democratic party primaries, and for the progressive voters to actually support them in those primaries.
Which is why I’m advocating for progressive candidates to run in the Democratic party primaries
Progressives have difficulty trusting what democrats call primaries.
I don’t think they’ve participated in them consistently enough and in a large enough scale for it. Either that or there simply aren’t enough progressive voters to defeat the centrists and neoliberals. In which case splintering into a third party essentially means permanent Republican majority. Everybody wants to cite Bernie as proof that a progressive isn’t allowed to win when the reality is simply that more people voted for Hillary in 2016 (not a single superdelegate vote was needed to give her the win at the convention, and the DNC changed the rules in 2018 onwards so that superdelegates don’t even vote in the convention unless the pledged delegates can’t elect a nominee in the first round) and the same is true of Biden in 2020.
I didn’t ask for your apologia. Democrats literally argued in court that they don’t have to run fair primaries.
And won.
“Tea Party-style” would mean “astroturfed by outrageously wealthy industrialists”
I’ll let the CCP bribe me, idgaf, just saying.
I’ll take their money. Ain’t gonna implement Red flavored capitalism and none of this mono party bullshit. But I can take their money as I advocate for what I want
Exactly, what are they gonna do? Sue for not doing what I was bribed to do?
If that meams that Dems get united and organized and finally get aggressive in taking on their opponents, then I’m all in.
If it means becoming a zombie follower of the party, no matter how stupid and corrupt they are, then fuck no.
Can we throw Schumer in the ocean first?
Nah, Pelosi has to go first.
Not thrilled with Chuck or Nancy, but at least Nancy is good at her job. Schumer has always been the quintessential weak, spineless Democrat weenie, and I will NEVER forgive him for stabbing Al Franken in the back. His weak job performance is a major reason we are in the mess we are in now.
Guys calm down we can fit both of them in there
Votes are tied, let’s see who wins.
One into the ocean, one into the sun.
How about we come together in compromise and tie them together the toss them both in.
The tea party was created by the koch brothers. It was entirely artificially motivated. There’s nobody attempting to astroturf a democrat tea party movement
What do we throw into Boston harbor? Printed out tweets? AWS servers? The entire Trump administration itself?
Yes.
Egalitarian Party let’s fucking goooooooo
Let’s do it.
good.
more than half of the electeds need to go from all sorts of issues from stabbing biden in the back to push him out to voting to censure rep al green to voting for all of trump’s cabinet picks. the party is rotten and necrotic at the head and it’s dragging the entire country down.
Both-sides bullshit. What’s being talked about is grassroots engagement. The Tea Party was astroturf.
About time.
Is that really the model we want to follow?
uh, yeah? They cannibalized the entire Republican party and wear its skin like a trophy, that’s kinda exactly what we want to do to the DNC. Sure, they did it for terrible reasons and sure, the main reason they were successful was the moneied assistance of oligarchs, but there’s no arguing their success. If we want to be successful, we should study their notes.
They’ve seized power from their party’s centrists and converted huge chunks of them haven’t they?
It’s compared to the tea party for the same reason every scandal in politics is something-gate.
