Progressives will be trying to build an alternative to the corporatist zionist dems. I think the party is more or less over. They no longer have the votes to win a national race, nor is any help coming from the right or the left. There is no trump bump because the democratic party doesnt seem useful now or able to win in the future. And zionists will keep it frozen this way because they prefer trump to dems anyway.
Progressives will be trying to build an alternative to the corporatist zionist dems.
But how? There are already multiple parties beyond the big two. Minor parties who have existed for decades. But only 3 of them were on the ballot in more than 10 states in 2024. There’s just no way, in voting math, that a new party can just drop in and take place. Local and county seats (your link about SF LatinX group), sure. But state and federal 3rd parties are a pipe dream.
If there are enough progressives to beat a Democratic candidate (not even win the general but just beat the Democratic candidate), then there enough to win the Democratic primary. And then there will be a chance to beat the Republican rather than splitting the vote. And if there aren’t, then splitting the vote just means more MAGA.
Indeed I agree. Which is why I’m advocating for progressive candidates to run in the Democratic party primaries, and for the progressive voters to actually support them in those primaries.
I don’t think they’ve participated in them consistently enough and in a large enough scale for it. Either that or there simply aren’t enough progressive voters to defeat the centrists and neoliberals. In which case splintering into a third party essentially means permanent Republican majority. Everybody wants to cite Bernie as proof that a progressive isn’t allowed to win when the reality is simply that more people voted for Hillary in 2016 (not a single superdelegate vote was needed to give her the win at the convention, and the DNC changed the rules in 2018 onwards so that superdelegates don’t even vote in the convention unless the pledged delegates can’t elect a nominee in the first round) and the same is true of Biden in 2020.
I think the opposite is happening. The DNC is doubling/tripling down and the base keeps splintering and getting smaller.
https://www.kqed.org/news/12033207/sf-latinx-club-leaves-local-democratic-party
Progressives will be trying to build an alternative to the corporatist zionist dems. I think the party is more or less over. They no longer have the votes to win a national race, nor is any help coming from the right or the left. There is no trump bump because the democratic party doesnt seem useful now or able to win in the future. And zionists will keep it frozen this way because they prefer trump to dems anyway.
But how? There are already multiple parties beyond the big two. Minor parties who have existed for decades. But only 3 of them were on the ballot in more than 10 states in 2024. There’s just no way, in voting math, that a new party can just drop in and take place. Local and county seats (your link about SF LatinX group), sure. But state and federal 3rd parties are a pipe dream.
If there are enough progressives to beat a Democratic candidate (not even win the general but just beat the Democratic candidate), then there enough to win the Democratic primary. And then there will be a chance to beat the Republican rather than splitting the vote. And if there aren’t, then splitting the vote just means more MAGA.
Without progressive support the dnc cant win a national election alone any more than we can.
Indeed I agree. Which is why I’m advocating for progressive candidates to run in the Democratic party primaries, and for the progressive voters to actually support them in those primaries.
Progressives have difficulty trusting what democrats call primaries.
I don’t think they’ve participated in them consistently enough and in a large enough scale for it. Either that or there simply aren’t enough progressive voters to defeat the centrists and neoliberals. In which case splintering into a third party essentially means permanent Republican majority. Everybody wants to cite Bernie as proof that a progressive isn’t allowed to win when the reality is simply that more people voted for Hillary in 2016 (not a single superdelegate vote was needed to give her the win at the convention, and the DNC changed the rules in 2018 onwards so that superdelegates don’t even vote in the convention unless the pledged delegates can’t elect a nominee in the first round) and the same is true of Biden in 2020.
I didn’t ask for your apologia. Democrats literally argued in court that they don’t have to run fair primaries.
And won.