Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful youā€™ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutā€™nā€™paste it into its own post ā€” thereā€™s no quota for posting and the bar really isnā€™t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many ā€œesotericā€ right wing freaks, but thereā€™s no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iā€™m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged ā€œculture criticsā€ who write about everything but understand nothing. Iā€™m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyā€™re inescapable at this point, yet I donā€™t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnā€™t be surgeons because they didnā€™t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canā€™t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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      I used to think transhumanism was very cool because escaping the misery of physical existence would be great. for one thing, Iā€™m trans, and my experience with my body as such has always been that it is my torturer and I am its victim. transhumanism to my understanding promised the liberation of hundreds of millions from actual oppression.

      then I found out there was literally no reason to expect mind uploading or any variation thereof to be possible. and when you think about what else transhumanism is, thereā€™s nothing to get excited about. these people donā€™t have any ideas or cogent analysis, just a powerful desire to evade limitations. itā€™s inevitable that to the extent they cohere theyā€™re a cult: theyā€™re a variety of sovereign citizen

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        I havenā€™t spent a lot of time sneering at transhumanism, but it always sounded like thinly veiled ableism to me.

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          Only as a subset of the broader problem. What if, instead of creating societies in which everyone can live and prosper, we created people who can live and prosper in the late capitalist hell weā€™ve already created! And what if we embraced the obvious feedback loop that results and call the trillions of disposable wireheaded drones that weā€™ve created a utopia because of how high theyā€™ll be able to push various meaningless numbers!

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        my experience with my body as such has always been that it is my torturer and I am its victim.

        (side note, gender affirming care resolved this. in my case HRT didnā€™t really help by itself, but facial feminization surgery immediately cured my dysphoria. also for some reason it cured my lower back pain)

        (of course it wasnā€™t covered in any way, which represents exactly the sort of hostility to bodily agency transhumanists would prioritize over ten foot long electric current sensing dongs or whatever, if they were serious thinkers)

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          Wanting to escape the fact that we are beings of the flesh seems to be behind so much of the rationalist-reactionary impulse ā€“ a desire to one-up our mortal shells by eugenics, weird diets, ā€˜brain uploadingā€™ and something like vampirism with the Bryan Johnson guy. Itā€™s wonderful you found a way to embrace and express yourself instead! Yes, in a healthier relationship with our bodies ā€“ which is what we are ā€“ such changes would be considered part of general healthcare. It sometimes appears particularly extreme in the US from here from Europe at least, maybe a heritage of puritanical norms.

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        (Geordi LaForge holding up a hand in a ā€œstopā€ gesture) transhumanism

        (Geordi LaForge pointing as if to say "now thereā€™s an idea) trans humanism

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        Note I am not endorsing their writing - in fact I believe the vehemence of the reaction on HN is due to the author being seen as one of them.

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          I read through a couple of his fiction pieces and I think we can safely disregard him. Whatever insights he may have into technology and authoritarianism appear to be pretty badly corrupted by a predictable strain of antiwokism. Itā€™s not offensive in anything I read - heā€™s not out here whining about not being allowed to use slurs - but he seems sufficiently invested in how authoritarians might use the concerns of marginalized people as a cudgel that he completely misses how in reality marginalized people are more useful to authoritarian structures as a target than a weapon.