cross-posted from: https://feddit.org/post/9451996
Thoughts on features to boost intent for posting more?
Like a karma system of that other forum website.
I currently miss a point system to motivate me that shows people via my profile how much I could help by posting/commenting. There’s no system to create such feedback currently on Lemmy.
Are there statements by the creators of this platform about that?
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Share similar communities links in the description.
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Find a way to do polls on lemmy
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Seeing a lot of upvotes on a post or comment feels nice, seeing that mass social approval of whatever my contribution was. But I also never had any interest in engaging in low-effort posts to get that same reward. I also think the Lemmy hivemind disapproves of low-effort posts like that so such behavior would not be rewarded.
I do wonder what motivated people who made low-effort posts for karma, and why I don’t seem to see it here even though we share an upvote/downvote system. Identifying that might help us at least figure out what not to do so that we do not set up a system that encourages that behavior. We do still clearly have the ability to see upvotes on posts and comments.
It is also possible I’m seeing low-effort posts but they are not rewarded as heavily and I mentally dismiss it as “just someone trying to get any activity going on the Fediverse at all.” I sometimes just post a link and let it be because it’s relevant to the community, I thought it was cool, and I’d like to see some Fediverse activity there but don’t really have anything original to say. It’s possible the low-effort posts are not rewarded not because the Lemmy hivemind disapproves of low effort but because they just don’t see it in the tiny little community I posted in that receives maybe an average of 3 upvotes per post.
For what it’s worth, I’m not using “Lemmy hivemind” in a derogatory fashion here, I just mean it as “the general sentiment of most Lemmy users”.
Karma? The system that encouraged people to make the most milquetoast posts to appeal as many users as possible? Karma farming heavily reduced quality on reddit.
No thank you. We need some sort of encouragement but karma is not it.
thats where I wanted the discussion to go! What could that be?
Award trophies maybe with no karma? The 1% top poster was always nice to earn on reddit in niche communities
I dont see any other options that dont have the same effect as karma tbh
Currency is not inspiration.
I’d rather have cooperation instead of competition as primary incentive: “If I post quality content, others might want to post quality content as well”
Karma is not a good system.
I do agree however that additional features to encourage posting and engagement would be good for Lemmy.
what do you have in mind whne mentioning this?
Jfc, no.
Karma was part of the problem with reddit, we don’t need or want it here
a christian samurai!
Alas, while I do have a bias against religion in general, it isn’t because I’m christian
You typed jfc… I wanted to be silly too…
I asked for thoughts on features to boost intent for posting more not “pls implement karma”…
Ahhhh, gotcha!
Maybe try to get used to how lemmy is instead of immediately trying to change it into a carbon copy of reddit.
I prefer being able to separately see the number of down votes.
Also your redditisms are a great reminder of how people here talk normally instead of exclusively in quips
What Redditisms are you speaking of? The OP seems to be talking normally, I don’t really see any quips.
Ye I just see the content holes and a big reactive userbase… Also I browse alot and dont see that much media/links in communities that are based on giving you regular posts/slice of currents, does that make sense?
I know karma has its problems, I just want the discussion to be about what features could help combat this conflict.
I like contributing to a community and see it climb the ladder https://lemmyverse.net/communities?order=active
https://lemmyverse.net/communities?query=music&order=active
Something has gone horribly right here LMAO.
The description of your community includes the word “music”. I would suggest using the “Smart Sort” option instead.
Smart sorts relies on subscribers numbers, which tend to favor communities created during the API exodus as Lemmy had much more people back then
The Alexandrite front end for Lemmy has a feature called “Vibe Check” that shows a user’s positive or negative score in each community they post within. It is a nice check for spotting trolls quickly, or even if a person “trolls” in one community but not others. If you scroll down their profile past around the first ~30 comments/posts (Alexandrite is infinite scrolling), it will score the vibe check on however many comments/posts are loaded which is usually 100 loaded when past this ~30 mark.
like here? I dont see it yet
You must be logged in. I think it is incorporating the user’s block list but there may be other factors. I have not looked at the code used to implement the feature.
Wow, Alexandrite is really good now! I wish I could try that Vibe Check tool, but it only appears when logged in, and I’m an Mbin user.
IDK, if you want to post, you post. I don’t feel that encouragement is really needed.
many posts have alot of likes but no comments altough its like questions or a discussion based post
Well, yeah, that happens.
I don’t miss karma being a thing (and people focusing on growing it by pleasing as many as possible, instead of focusing on content) but I’m also past the age of getting good/bad grades for doing my homework or for participating in class ;)
I’m pretty sure introducing karma will boost low effort reddit-like posts. And those don’t need any encouragement, imho.
low effort reddit-like posts
Let’s say Lemmy becomes the biggest platform for forum like exchange. Will a lack in karma system change low effort issues since we still have a upvote based community systems? Where bots could influence certain opinions that show up on your feed
My current impressions:
Art communities sadly seem so lackluster - “like why share” is the vibe Im getting. I just want a strong unique selling point (USP) compared to reddit, because lemmy could replace (not saying it should copy) reddit, like the good parts, and show how reddit is in essence flawed like x and meta for example.
Or communities showing political/global media of what people recorded (i.e. some protest in istanbul right now, or serbia using sonic weaponry at a demonstration), even more regional like r/de always gives you a very complete feeling slice of german articles out there and its always rated so regularly. You can see like the top 5 publications of the day and then discuss it/see how people feel about certain things, that you wouldnt think about just reading the article.
I just fear the personal motivation for users might be too low for such feed activity, and often I notive like 10 people upvoting and not a single comment, so more reactionary - maybe its just total users tho what im missing…
like r/de always gives you a very complete feeling slice of german articles out there and its always rated so regularly.
!dach@feddit.org is quite active, same for !france@jlai.lu , but you need to enable German and French in your settings
Same for !europe@feddit.org . I’m not sure news is what we are missing.
Thank :)
For me, the most active community in jlai.lu is !forumlibre@jlai.lu is way more cosy, a chill place where we talk about daily life, game, book, movie…this knitting community is quite cool to : !artsdufil@jlai.lu :D
But if you are looking for news : !france@jlai.lu and !gauchisse@jlai.lu but i stopped posting news there, it depress me a lot. :)
I just want a strong unique selling point (USP) compared to reddit
The unique selling point of Lemmy at the moment is not getting site banned for upvotes like on Reddit
Some instances disable downvotes. This is an important thing to consider for anything related to post/comment scores.
Edit: I also fear that a karma system would encourage just sticking with the overall Lemmy, instance or community mainstream, more than it is now already the case with up/downvotes and how they affect the sorting of posts/comments.
you mean like small communites would have it harder with that system?
I’m mostly referring to possibly controversial posts or comments. Some users might not want to risk losing “karma” and therefore avoid making such posts or comments, even if they don’t break rules and are an interesting contribution to a community or discussion.
We don’t need those. Sharing what you like is enough :)
I see the issue of karma and dont blindly like it.
But browsing experience is just a little empty and uncomplete. A lot of relevant regular posts are just missing imo where people get a platform to be reactive… since most are exactly that… (seeing question posts with 20 upvotes but no comments is the vibe Im often getting)
Maybe ask them a dumb question and they will answer it :
What are you doing tonight ? I’m knitting a pair of socks for my newphew :3
I currently miss a point system to motivate me that shows people via my profile how much I could help by posting/commenting.
Wut?
Are you expecting, like, a bidding war or something?
Gamification, makes people addicted. Its fake points nobody cares about. But its still a massive psychologic lever. I ofc see the problems of a karma system, but theres just so many content holes in my current browsing experiences of for example links or media posts in communities that work like that.
Generally people browse more and chatch up with such content. And even question-posts often have like double digit votes but not even one comment. Thats where Im coming from