We’re actively disinformed. That’s why. It’s really that simple.
As an example of the deeply ingrained disinformation and brainwashing, see a comment I made earlier today regarding Liberals continuously blaming progressives for Trumps win — without evidence — instead of the statistically verifiable, and multi-decade ratfuckery by the fascists… not to mention the ~100 million American adults who refuse to vote in every election (aka. the 100 million adults Liberals continuously fail to motivate), or the ~80 million voters who support fascist authoritarianism, or the corporations who have corrupted the political class and propagandized the entire population for 5 decades, or the political class who continuously serve the oligarchy.
War is peace! Freedom is slavery! The political class, bought and paid for by fascists, will save us from fascism!
Honestly, I just block the people who keep repeating that kinds of BS. They aren’t worth my mental energy.
Does that mean I miss out on a bunch of discussions on .world? yes, but not wasting my mental energy on bad-faith arguments is worth it.
It’s all very culty with partisan people of both stripes.
Americans are not a monolith. Tons of Americans are concerned. Tons are not. Also many Americans have lives where these issues the news typically stirs up don’t really actually impact their daily lives. Others are dramatically affected. It really depends on location and status, among so many factors.
Various news and online channels might have you thinking all Americans are basically the same and experiencing things the same, but they are definitely not.
Because
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taxing the rich is a partisan stance
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people are unaware that the government would spend less on singlepayer than it spends currently dealing with middlemen
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a non-negligible number of people don’t believe in micro-organisms, nutrition, or cancer as it is understood by doctors
TLDR: decentralized education with zero funding makes a whole country of dumb assholes.
Congressional democrats have no interest in actual taxing the ultra wealthy either. It’s bipartisan to not “bite the hand that feeds.”
Well the last tax bill was written and passed by the GOP in 2017, it got 0 DNC votes in the house the first time and it passed but with 3 congressional violations which would otherwise protect budget bills from filibuster at the time and so it was filibustered, then it passed the house again with changes and then the Senate 51 to 48 with 0 DNC votes and this time was immune to filibuster.
Now they get to write the new bill again this time because it is about to expire.
We DO have an idea of the DNC tax plan from the Kamala Harris Campaign promising to tax unrealized gains over 1M and to remove the upper limit that rich people pay to Socia Security Taxes, while also keeping or lowering taxes on anybody who made less than 400k.
We also know that the previous Biden Administration supported the IRS and gave them every resource and incentive to Audit the Rich, which they absolutely did.
So I guess if you ignore literally everything that happens then you can make that claim. Take your pick: ignorant or liar, which do you claim to be?
It’s all posturing. When they actually have the power to fully pass tax bills they don’t. It’s only when they know it won’t become law that they pander to their voters. It’s all a show.
They have not had that power. We refuse to give them that power.
With that power we have every reason to believe they would tax the rich. Any incentive to stand against this policy would be on the campaign trail: and they don’t use the card even then.
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Because we also die from totally preventable school shootings too.
Sad thing is that I don’t think gun restrictions would work cos criminals get their guns unlawfully
You can’t make concentrated firearms to smuggle into a country. They’re bulky, expensive and made from metal. They’re not heroin. Also, most of those illegal guns were legally purchased in another US state with looser laws, not smuggled in from another country.
Yep, they purchase them unlawfully because legislation isn’t a quick fix.
They purchase them from straw purchasers who get away with it because of lax laws in some states. Most states with stricter gun laws, the guns on the streets come from states with lax gun laws. If there were no states with lax laws there would be less of those guns on the streets.
It’s sadly not as simple as that when there’s already a lot of guns in the country. Realistically that can’t be changed in the current system. What would help in the immediate future is PSAs, training for professionals, risk assessments etc that can identify perpetrators. It’s not massively expensive and can be implemented in the existing system.
Which other countries with stricter gun restrictions than the US regularly have school shootings?
Yes, I agree publicised school shootings are generally in the US. Did any of the other countries go from firearms being lawful to unlawful over the last few decades? The US has a huge amount already there, and that’s a significant difference.
I don’t feel countries can be compared like that. School shootings are often carried out by juveniles who can’t lawfully get a gun. They’re committing mass murder showing they’re not law abiding. Realistically there’s so many guns in America that even making guns illegal wouldn’t prevent guns in the country.
Instead there’s other things that could help, such as training professionals to identify perpetrators and warning signs they’re going to attack. PSAs could be done so people can ID people around them.
^OP, here’s the answer to your question
(Intellectual laziness and uncritical acceptance of propaganda).
School shootings are often carried out by juveniles who can’t lawfully get a gun.
Cut this crap, this isn’t reddit. Most kids them get the guns from a relative or friend who obtained it legally and adequate storage laws reduce both suicides and homicides in kids. BTW, guns kill more kids now than cancer or car accidents, but only in the US. Your take is the best example of americans being unconcerned about preventable deaths.
Please let me reassure you, thats inaccurate. I do voluntary work in DA, work in the supportive sector and have personally funded related uni courses (DA being linked to crime perpetration, incels, firearm misuse etc). I’ve done considerable research into academic articles on lone actor grievance fuelled violence. I do far more than the average person does, I just have a different perspective… partly due to the academic research I’ve read.
Please let me reassure you, thats inaccurate…
What’s inaccurate? I made like 5 statements.
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Guns kill more school-aged kids than motor vehicle accidents and cancer (i had to recreate the stats from the CDC wonder database myself excluding anybody over 18 because schmucks kept on complaining about the NEJM article including 19-year-olds, which apparently invalidated the data, except that it didn’t)
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Gun suicides are mostly committed using firearms from friends and relatives.
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If you look at UK’s homicide stats and the US’s (BJS) homicide stats you can tell that actually the homicide rate difference is driven by firearms.
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It’s a fact that it is much harder to kill someone including oneself without a gun.
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States that have gun storage laws have lower firearm mortality in kids.
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Blablabla on your trust me because I did some research. I’m in academia and published half a dozen (non-gun) epidemiology papers to date as a side hustle so I do know how to use the CDC databases. I’ve been forced to dive into the gun violence data because I’m really fed up with all the disinformation.
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What I have seen no supportive evidence for to date is “that training professionals to identify perpetrators” (“hardening schools?”) has any effect on school shootings.
-Now let’s see your papers.
I’m referring to the personal remarks you made about me, they were inaccurate. Do you retract them?
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Sure, the shootings won’t stop the day legislation changes. But it prevents more guns from entering the US, making it more difficult to get one, even illegally.
I get that some people in the states need guns. Some communities have a real danger from bears etc. But those people can get a license to own a gun, the way it works in most countries.
Yes hopefully it would. It’s a slow drawn out process though, and america isn’t an island. It’s not a fix
Its not a fix, but a start in the right direction.
Yep, given the reality of how many firearms there are already, and the resources it would take to remove them… I think we should focus on other things.
It works in every other country.
Is there another country that illegalised guns when there were already a massive amount in the country? I’m unaware of one but happy to be enlightened if there is.
Buyback programs tend to work, because they’re “no questions asked” and illegal guns still get bought and taken off the street. Australia did one that was very effective, though they’re cheating since it’s an island.
But one thing you have to remember is the US is the largest source of illegal guns in the world, because it makes them legally and they get smuggled. 40% of guns used in crimes come from just four manufacturers.
If the US stopped making so many fucking guns it would actually make the whole world safer. Especially Mexico! Trafficked guns are the main source of the cartel’s armory.
It’s a fair point on ceasing manufacturing, I agree that would help with preventing incidents for future generations.
Probably something like 99.9% of guns or more are legal guns when they’re manufactured. If there were fewer legal guns produced and out there, there’d be fewer illegal guns for criminals, would-be or otherwise, to get their hands on.
Yes, it’s a slow fix though
If you’re referring to the gains in the anti vax movment
It’s the same reason why a large portion of Americans are anti environment.
It got politicized and instead of using critical thinking one side wants to win and thinks the other is lying to them about everything
Almost every person I know got a measles booster in response to the recent outbreaks (all were vaccinated during youth).
Perhaps turn an eye on your biases.
Cool anecdote?
I confirm this anecdote. Just got my booster yesterday, and I know I am not alone.
With god as my armour I need no vaccines
But we hanged that dude on a cross, did you miss the news?
Yes but that was so he could absolve us of our diseases! Maybe. I’m not so knowledgeable of Christianity, I’m Republican.
This is one of those scenarios where it may be better to look at fiber detail
- life expectancy by state has an 8 year range, from 72 to 80 years
- our nightmare of health coverage … In 2018, …coverage rates ranged from 82.3% of people in Texas to 97.2% of people in Massachusetts.
- average income almost doubles, from $87,063 down to $46,511.
You can go down a list of stats related to quality of life, and see similarly large ranges by state, and the ones on the low end correlate strongly with people who voted Republican. These are poorer people with worse education, worse health, much less income, voting for disrupting the status quo without understanding what that means
Most of us are concerned.
The minority are concerned because the US government has done unethical and malicious medical stuff to minorities, which makes some level of hesitancy for those groups understandable. Not the cod oil instead of vaccines bullshit white middle class and up promote, that is pure snake oil propaganda.
Intentionally infecting black airmen with syphillus and giving them placibos instead of treatments so they could track long term effects.
As an example.
They weren’t intentionally infected, they were just deliberately not given the cure. It doesn’t make a difference at the end of the day, but it is important to distinguish because that is probably part of how those involved in the study justified their actions.
E.g.,
“I didn’t give them the disease, so I’m not responsible for what happens to them”
Christ man, we’re screaming about it and have been for decades. Nobody will listen.
Science showed things like climate change, which was hurting the bottom line of giant corporations who donate huge amounts of money to Republicans, so Republicans convinced their base that science is against God, and that it’s all part of the evil woke liberals thing. So now anything that comes from science, including vaccines, is tainted.
Many Americans are exactly as the stereotypes about them say they are, loud and stupid.
I think a lot of Americans have the option that these contagious diseases aren’t really dangerous anymore and that THEY won’t be affected by any fallout. THEY will be able to survive it so THEY don’t care.
In reality, lots of people live in small communities and even though they might go on the internet, they don’t go very deep. So unless it’s in their face, they don’t know much about it. And “my gran pappy had the mumps and he was fine!” mentality.
Just for the record I hate they gran pappy and he was not fine, the syphilis addled fuck.
i hear ya. it’s a major fucking bummer knowing that most of the people around me are fucking stupid
This is a much bigger part of it than a lot of people in this thread seem to think. A lot of these diseases were extinct or close to it in the US and people have forgotten how deadly they are. The worst viral infection a lot of these people have ever seen is either a bad cold or a mild case of influenza. A good number of the younger ones have never even seen chickenpox.
It’s like people who try to pet wild animals because they’ve only ever interacted with domesticated ones and thought they were all like that.
Our educations system has been in decline for the last 20 years. Instead foreign money has combine with private interests to blast us with complete made up bullshit propaganda 24/7. Almost all of our major news sources are now owned or operated by MAGA donors, who care more about money than public well being. Basically, half this country is now too stupid to determine if the information they’re viewing is corporate propaganda, or foreign government propaganda. Both are exploitative, and both want Americans sick because it’s profitable to them. So despite having a president that publicly threw out our pandemic response killing more Americans than in all the wars we’ve ever faught in combined - 4 years later we reelected him. That’s how bad the propaganda is here. Combined with poor education, we can no longer agree on how basic cause and effect works.
TL:DR - We’re now too stupid and hopped up on propaganda to understand how preventing diseases works.
“preventable disease” and “Americans” are very broad terms
