Post had nothing to do with murder or violence. It is clear who reddit serves.
I was shadow banned from Reddit for making a not violent Luigi post on 12/23/24. My account was older and had high karma. I am grateful to have found this community. The state of human rights in the United States is bleak. I watched my mom die from early onset Alzheimer’s in our broken system and I don’t even have words for the cruelty in our system. How can corporations be “people” if there’s no way to hold them accountable for mass murder? Our system is broken and corrupt from top to bottom and somehow it’s about to get much worse. Luigi gave those of us who are broken and tired a fleeting moment of hope.
My mom passed earlier this year from pneumonia. The insurance wouldn’t let her stay until it was gone. So we had to keep taking her out of the hospital for a couple days, and then putting her back for the same pneumonia, it lasted for months, because the hospital couldn’t fully treat it. She had to wait at home until she was able to go again, and it eventually took her. The pneumonia, stress and everything else was just too much for her heart. She ended up going into cardiac arrest multiple times and the pneumonia sepsis is listed as her official cause of death.
Luigi is a fucking American hero and I wish more people could be like him. I unfortunately have to take care of these kids so I cannot but I will pray for whoever picks up that mantle.
I’m sorry for your loss. They murdered your mother for profit and it enrages me. I’ve personally suffered at the bloody hands of the insurance companies as well. The insurance companies fill me with a cold deep rage. I hope all their leaders know fear before they come to their end.
I have kids as well. I’m no longer religious but I believe in Saint Luigi and pray that others are inspired by his noble actions. Truly.
If you’re willing, please share the name of the insurance company and the CEO that murdered your mother for money.
The real villains are vanguard, black rock and the politicians that keep selling out the people. Things are about to get much worse with the cutting an privitazation ( this means it will be moved to a corrupt dysfunctional shareholder profit model) for medicade, Medicare, veterans healthcare and social security. The social contract is broken and the wealthy have waged war on the people. I was hoping that those doing this would have a wake up moment due to Luigi and ease up but instead the suppression has only increased. I don’t know how to fix this but the attack on the working class is “legal” and any resistance or hope is “illegal” or prohibitively expensive and easily stamped out. I get why people don’t want to bring children into the meat grinder that America has become.
Hyper focusing on Blackrock makes you sound like a conspiracy theorist - there are many groups like it, you have to expose the whole not be obsessed with the one or again it just looks crazy. IMO.
Black Rock, Vanguard and State Street own 74% of the US Economy. Not a crazy conspiracy an easily verifiable fact https://money.usnews.com/investing/articles/these-3-fund-families-control-74-of-the-market
I named multiple sources for our troubles. The biggest firms extracting wealth seemed like good easily verifiable examples. Agree to disagree with your opinion
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I’ve had two accounts on Reddit, one got permabanned a few months ago, and I deleted the other a few days ago. The first one was my oldest account. Over a decade old, and massive karma. I also had my own sub where I shared my writing, and had a few thousand subscribers.
Back when that incel neo-Nazi Nick Fuentes got doxxed on Twitter, I made a joke saying “as an incel, he should be glad that women know where he lives now in case they want to share a cocktail with him”, with a gif of a Molotov cocktail. Permabanned for “promoting/glorifying violence”. I thought it was funny, but fine. That one is on me.
My other account, which was seven years old and had high karma, got banned from probably half a dozen subs in the past week or so for just mentioning Luigi, or even just up voting posts and comments mentioning him. That was when I decided Reddit was no longer for me.
It’s one thing to ban someone for the kind of joke I made. While it was obviously a joke, it was still an overt glorification of violence. So I get that. But just for up voting a comment mentioning Luigi’s name in a nonviolent context?
FUCK. THAT.
Totally with you. Tracking accounts and what they upvote and downvote and then banning specific accounts is pretty well fucked. All-the-while allowing and even enabling bots to flourish… Reddit is a mostly liberal flavored Facebook now. Total trash at this point. Nearly every sub just a bot filled echo chamber inside a library of echo chambers. Almost zero critical thinking. Obvious lies everywhere that are amplified until they become accepted as truth. Just like X/FB/IG/etc.
On a positive side the general public opinion on Reddit is mostly encouraging. It still has that going for it. But power corrupts. And Reddit is a publicly traded company now. Beholden to it’s shareholders and investors. Hopefully Lemmy grows and fills that void now that Reddit has decided to side with the wealthy elite by censoring our voices. Now that Reddit is literally owned by these wealthy elite (just like all the rest) they cannot be trusted anymore.
It’s wild. You can go on Reddit and openly discuss why you think Hitler may have been the good guy, but if you up vote some AI art of Luigi, you get banned.
And when you consider the amount of bots on there… many of which were Russian, and proven to be attempting to influence our elections, these bots go unchecked. But Luigi getting upvotes warrants a ban… holy shit man what a world now.
But misogynistic trolls are perfectly fine posting ‘your body, my choice’ etc? It’s all hypocrisy.
You can openly call for the death penalty for people seeking an abortion, or for the extrajudicial execution of immigrants, but Satan forbid you up vote a cartoon of your favorite green hat wearing Nintendo plumber.
It’s ridiculous. Those in power are clutching their pearls really fervently right now. Its funny how they brain wash us from such a young age to believe political violence is never the answer and extremely reprehensible meanwhile they have no qualms as far as using political violence against the working class and poor or any other country that might be in the process of a worker led revolution that works against the capitalist interests of those in power. And non violence may have been working some 60-70 years ago but then those in power quickly moved to implement violence to halt that progress. And i know I can not say for certain but im rather sure that MLK jr would change his tune on political violence if he could be resurrected to see exactly what the establishment did to him for spreading ideas they disliked. I often say that if nonviolence were truly the best way to effect socio political change then those in power would not be making bombs guns hets tanks and all the other military ordinance they profit off of to arm right wing coups in south America, central asia africa and every other part lf the world that the west strips for resources at the expense of the indigenous inhabitants of that land. The cia would just have their field agents instruct these authoritarian militants to enact sit ins and marches.which they do utilize from time to Time but they still definitively use violence as their preferred and final strategy to topple regimes and install vassal regimes when needed
Luigi gave those of us who are broken and tired a fleeting moment of hope.
ahem The Adjuster gave us all that, Luigi was hanging with me all week
Thanks for the writeup, I think I’ve been banned (edit: by admin, mods never banned me) about ten times on reddit over the years and it was always for shit you’d never get banned for on forums run by independents instead of corporations. Especially one owned by spez who idolizes Elon Musk.
You may also enjoy SomethingAwful Forums. The $5 one time to register fee paywall keeps most jerks out. https://forums.somethingawful.com/
Bans are public, and the mods are hilarious: https://forums.somethingawful.com/banlist.php
Imagine someone getting banned for lying on reddit in a Trump thread. Also, mods can add text to your public profile attached to every post you make. Sometimes it’s in size 50 red text. Sometimes it’s a flashing GIF calling the user a moron hyperlinked to an example.
i was banned before the anti-luigi initiative by reddit, it seems like they are coming up with new excuses to ban more and more people. so that only a small amount of users are left.
I think it’s targeted. They want to ban free thinkers and when new users come in, they will see a more facist base. Bet Reddit’s CEO got a fat check to make these changes. I got perm banned, then 3 day ban, after the first day it just went to perm again. Total IP ban.
Fuck Reddit and it’s bullshit. Lemmy is the new home.
they want a facebook/youtube hybrid, people that cant discern if its a right wing video/content trying to trick “liberals were destroyed by this right winger” or i cant stand “leftist voters,etc”.
What if thier filters are actually looking for content like that in your posts? and thier convenient excuse of permaban from subreddit, ban evasion.
reddit never had a problem with any of the right-wing subs calling for violence or engaging in harassment, so their bullshit claims of not allowing violence are absolutely hypocritical.
The monopoly men have worked very hard over the past one hundred years to stamp out class consciousness in the US. They won’t give in without a fight.
Bootlickers is the battle ground
If owners control them, they win
If they gain class solidarity, owners lose
The moment Robber Barons were first stopped, they starting working to rig things so they are never stopped again.
The only way to remind them that they have no such power is the French way.
All Tesla dealerships should be on fire by now. Now protected by a wall of obese ‘police’ that would not pass the most lenient tests to join the police force in any country of the EU.
Because they own the platform.
Hence, why Lemmy was needed.
Lemmy’s security is largely in its obscurity. If the community ever gains the degree of popularity or prominence as Reddit, it will succumb to all the same socio-economic pressures.
Hell, Reddit’s origin story isn’t far off from Lemmy’s. A left-wing FOSS guy pioneers a novel means of aggregating information in a relatively decentralized and community-oriented way. But then the capitalists move in, he’s arrested, the administration of the site is auctioned off to VCs, and the site is slowly mutated into an echo chamber for neoliberal propagandists and reactionary agitators to scream at one another, drowning everything else out.
Lemmyites want to believe they’ve engineered a technical solution to what is ultimately a socio-economic problem. The human labor that makes Lemmy work can be attacked and replaced, the communities that form alienated from one another and censored by moderators and dispersed, and the popularity monetized here just like has happened elsewhere.
This isn’t a safe social media space. Its just a lingering redoubt in an internet that’s been under siege for decades.
As I understand it, the fediverse as a whole is composed of instances, each one communicating with whichever other instances it wishes (the instances acting as social medias of sorts). Each instance is created by people making their own thing, so if one large instance (such as Lemmy.world) were to get taken over by filthy capitalists, someone could simply make a new, separate instance and choose not to federate with Lemmy world. Is this not the case?
if one large instance (such as Lemmy.world) were to get taken over by filthy capitalists, someone could simply make a new, separate instance and choose not to federate with Lemmy world.
Websites get traded on the backend regularly without hemorrhaging their userbases. A large site is going to have a degree of inertia. People aren’t going to all simultaneously pick up out of .world and go to .world2 because someone on le.mee or .shi.tjustworks talks shit about the mods. There’s too much of a trust deficit, just for starters. And it would be a two-way street if it wasn’t (people in .world claiming le.mee was the one that got taken over and you should decamp from them to our instance).
Past that, you can always make a new website even before federation. The trick is then getting a working community to include you in their network of links and shares. Federation makes that process more explicit and more pronounced. But most local instances have learned not to federate with everyone in the fediverse (because there’s so much gnarly shit out there), which means doing promotion and negotiation to get your new instance recognized by the survivors.
In a single case of a single instance getting taken over, migration is possible if a bit painful. But if it happens repeatedly, thanks to a professional business team going after instances strategically while individual largely-ignorant users have to respond organically, then the Fediverse doesn’t have a chance over the long term. Eventually, the business interest gets control of enough high profile domains and pollutes the means of interpersonal communication to such a high degree that you either trust your instance or you abandon the Fediverse entirely.
It becomes a game of “Who Is The Werewolf?”, which strategically favors the werewolves.
Did you follow the 196 controversy at all? An entire community just upped sticks and left because they got shitty with the mods.
I can see an entire instance being largely abandoned in a matter of days if they got offside with their users badly enough. Add in the loss in traffic from being defederated by everyone, and it would be a big loss for whoever bought the instance.
It’s also propaganda. The more the recipients, the more valuable it becomes to dump huge amounts of money into controlling the narrative with propaganda posts, for which you don’t need admin control over the servers.
Reddit was never FOSS. Linux is still going stong, even with vested financial interests.
Most importantly, wie have already made the decision to leave traditional social media and build something better. If worst comes to wiorst, we’ll find each other again.
Reddit was never FOSS
https://github.com/reddit-archive/reddit?tab=License-1-ov-file
It was licensed under CPAL which is an approved license by both the FSF and OSI.
Reddit was never FOSS.
Reddit went full open-source in 2008 with a Github repo, did a (possibly deliberately) poor job of maintaining the repo despite this source code resulting in a plethora of 3rd party site enhancements and feature suites, then ultimately close its code nine years later.
Linux is still going stong, even with vested financial interests.
RedHat did Linux extremely dirty, and they’re hardly the first. It also has a significantly larger, more skilled, and more international userbase.
Most importantly, wie have already made the decision to leave traditional social media and build something better.
That’s a beautiful lie. Lemmy’s federation has been its pioneering feature, but it continues to backslide into Reddit-with-Extra-Steps. If anyone could claim they were building something truly novel, it was Mastadon. But that complexity and novelty has been an albatross around their necks since day one.
If worst comes to wiorst, we’ll find each other again.
:-/
Reddit went full open-source in 2008 with a Github repo
I stand corrected, although it seems to have beern a corporate gambit.
I can see where you’re coming from, reading you’re other reply in this thread, but I’ll just try to hold on to my idealism a bit longer :)
If worst comes to wiorst, we’ll find each other again.
:-/
I’ll find you, UnderpantsWeevil. Under every rock, under every pant I’ll look, till I find you precious weevil.
hubzilla is probably the most novel fediverse software.
That it literally why we have Lemmy and other AP sites. Big corporations cannot take control of our spaces.
Likewise reddit was never decentralised.
Removing billionaires is self defense, don’t let anyone tell you different. They commit acts of gross violence on the general populace every single day. It’s time to re-balance the scales.
Yeah, the existence of billionaires requires violence be perpetrated upon entire groups of people.
I mean. I would never do something like this. And I don’t condone it. But people are free to do with their lives what they want. We have guns to fight tyranny.
The state calls its own violence law, but that of the individual, crime.
Max Stirner
Yesterday I saw clips on TV from us media supporting trump’s stances on Ukraine and stuff like that. Made me quite angry because the way that the presentation of the news was set up was to influence the viewer. Nothing else. It wasn’t to inform, it was to influence.
When it’s about politics on Belgian nationalised TV channel, then it’s always various people who share their points of view and it’s more to inform than to dictate.
MSM in the uss are owned 6-7 trump loving conservatives thats why. last years was nothing but sanewashing trump news, while ignore all the epstein investigation+ we havnt heard from mis GHISLAINE maxwell for like 2 years by then in the news, besides epstein she was the 2nd in command in relation of his operations, she knew everything that was going on, but not a peep from msm about her.
Apparently, just showing an image of the guy they are pinning the crime on is violence in and of itself. 🤷🏻♂️
He’s just too hot. You must be 18+ to view this sexy, sexy picture 🔞🔞🔞🥵🥵🥵
It’s NSFW in 2 different ways
deposing ceos is arguably sfw
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Whatever your opinion on the topic, posting this kind of thing to social media is a dumb move.
You think that law enforcement, billionaires and their security are not aware of social media and how to monitor and manipulate it?
You’re just making yourself, and everyone talking about this, a target and increasing the chance that someone kicks down your door, if you’re lucky it’s only the police.
The reason that mods remove these comments isn’t because they’re licking the corporate boot. If you let people plan violence at your house then you’re part of it. If you let people plan violence on your servers, then you’re part of it. That isn’t even going into the morality of what you’re suggesting.
Nobody should engage with this and it should be removed. Nothing good will come to you for going down this path.
They want to establish the narrative of Luigi-the-terrorist, but human beings know who is the reasonable one.
human beings know who is the reasonable one
I remember people saying that about Julian Assange and Edward Snowden twenty years ago. It didn’t take long for popular opinion to turn on them, though. Just call the whistleblowers allies of the opposition party or props of an evil foreign government. Americans hate that. And the American public soured on them rapidly, as a result.
That’s why we need to stop relying on idols and figureheads. I dont even necessarily think we need to organize, but to act as individuals capable of operating independently from central leadership. Most of us have the same goal, after all. It’s just most of us are still too comfortable or afraid to do anything, and that’s because we invested too much in leaders or orgs that we watch get assassinated and destroyed. But they can’t get all of us, especially if we act independently, and soon.
I don’t know where you live, but you can say that about your own context. What happened to Assange has no name, shame on the USA government! Fortunately, not all populations are equally easy-handled.
Delete reddit
I’m not religious, but if there IS a god, he has to make luigi be found not guilty.
he might be Jesus
in that case, I hope it’s jesus’s second coming.
If he is found not guilty and leads a resistance to take over Trump’s gov, then I’ll believe in god again.
Saying that the post has nothing to do with violence is pretty dishonest. Why do you think that the person who made the meme used Luigi Mangione instead of Bernie Sanders?
Either way the post didn’t explicitly or implicitly encourage violence and should’ve stayed up.
Why do you think that the person who made the meme used Luigi Mangione instead of Bernie Sanders?
Because Luigi everything has been getting censored by establishment media?
I agree. At most send an advisory message reminding the poster of rules and not to post worse. AT MOST. And I say that as someone who condemns the CEO murder and I don’t agree with Luigi being glorified in any way.
If you think that using Luigi Mangione in a post about the wealthy and elite doesn’t imply violence against those people, then we are simply going to have to disagree and I frankly think you are being intellectually dishonest.
I don’t think the image of Luigi is only about violence. It’s also a recognition of people’s pain at the hands of the ultra rich corporate elite. He symbolizes sticking it to the man, not just blind proletariat mob violence.
Many of us enjoyed the national unity that came from recognizing universal suffering at the hands of the US medical industry.
When did I say blind proletariat mob violence? I said violence. You threw those three extra words on there. He symbolizes sticking it to the man… By way of violence.
You implied proletariat mob violence. See what I did there?
No, I genuinely don’t. I don’t think you are taking this conversation very seriously so I’ll say good day to you.
You’re really good at projecting.
Who’s being intellectually dishonest again??
Counterpoint: why did police and media parade Luigi around as if he were guilty? What if Luigi is completely unrelated to Thompson’s death? Police departments want us to think he’s guilty and violent, his case is a lot more about legal injustice than violence right now. But hell if they want us to think about violence, we’ll do it but in a way that doesn’t empower corporate elites.
It’s also about freedom of speech. I’m on Lemmy due to Reddit bans. Did I imply I was going to be violent? No. Just talking about Luigi will get you banned, Reddit appears to be complying in advance to political pressure. Why else would they care?
I am not defending Reddit. I don’t even use it. I don’t really understand how anything you said was a counterpoint, they are different topics. Regardless of if Luigi Mangione did or did not do it, or if it was or was not justified, is entirely irrelevant to what using him in a meme right now explicitly about the wealthy elite is implying.
The post talks about social media being owned by elites. It’s implying rampant censorship by social media, like Reddit, and also a twist on his story to make him look guilty without due process. I don’t know where you got the implication of violence from, you didn’t explain it yourself.
It does make me feel violently angry! But not because of Luigi, because of the billionaire’s evil actions towards us all.
Why did the meme creator take a well known Bernie Sanders meme, someone who is already fairly well regarded for standing up for the working class, and alter it to show Luigi Mangione instead?
Name the first person that comes to mind when you think of mega social media and news desperately skewing the story to alter due process by contaminating any random jury. Hint, it’s not Bernie Sanders.
Like it or not, the man is a symbol for being fed up with being abused, killed, and sickened for profit. That sentiment transcends violence, which btw hasn’t been proven yet.
A person can be an idol/totem/icon of resistance. The post does not incite violence, nor does it display any violence. It does not break any rules.
Listen, I don’t think the post should have been removed, but I don’t think what you said is necessarily true. While obviously an extreme to make my point, if there was a non-violent quote from Hitler, nobody would bat an eye when it gets quickly removed. Of course Luigi isn’t the same as Hitler, but a case can be made that at a certain point the persons appearance is enough to make a statement, regardless of the quote in the post.
Of course, it’s different because nearly everyone on this platform supports the movement that Luigi represented (myself included).
You are comparing guerilla partisan resistance (from evil) with something that’s being resisted against (evil) and saying they both represent violence.
I think that’s not correct.
Some people that turn to violence in order to protect the weak are (treated as) heros.
Allegedly
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Whose boot am I licking, and how? Could you be more specific?
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I’m stating facts, not shilling anything. I don’t use Reddit and don’t care what they do or do not delete. I’m not advocating for or against Reddit’s position on this meme.
I’m pointing out that OP is either lying or ignorant if they think that this meme isn’t implying violence. That’s it.
You got a lot to learn about how the world works. But if you do understand and you still coming in here with this brain dead take. This is a boot licker behavior and I hope they treat you well enough to shill against your class interest.
I’m so confused. Presumably, you approve of what Luigi Mangione did - please correct me if I’m assuming wrong there. But proceeding assuming I’m right about that, isn’t violence the point?
Based on this I am going to assume you have not experienced enough of the life to understand what this is really about.
So I guess less of a bootlicker and more of a useful idiot then.
Unless you are part of the club… Then you are just shilling your class interest
Hmm
It made you post a comment though, would you have paid as much attention if it were yet another Bernie meme?
For the record, I’m just playing Devil’s advocate above. I agree that using Luigi Mangione in political memes inherently carries the connotation of violence.
I actually commented more because of OP’s insanely disingenuous take on the content. But, I don’t understand what that has anything to do with my statement though. I didn’t assert or deny that Luigi Mangione drives engagement. You might as well have replied to me with “llamas are pretty cute though”.
I think it’s interesting people keep posting things about this particular person when it’s likely to be filtered in all kiinds of media.
Not that I’m advocating for violence, but man, it seems like the people doing this would get their point across a lot more easily by posting pictures of groups of teens.
Everyone worships him and his deeds at the same time you let America turn into a dictatorship and let trump destroy everything. So hypocritical to celebrate him but at the same time sipping coffee watching all your future being destroyed… Luigi, on the other hand, has taken action… what about you and the heads in the sand? Hypocrites hypocrites hypocrites FCK Amerika
Pretty sure he is pissed on the citizen too!
It’s all hero worship, our civic tradition is (unintentionally?) very heavily based on The Great Man concept, Washington crossed the Potomac, not the people in the army, MLK won the right for civil rights, not the thousands of people working together for decades, etc etc
Luigi will save us (no, it will take all of us)
Well, it will definitely end with WW3 thanks to Trump. He has already given the go-ahead for global rearmament. Although too many still deny it (outside America)… The East has heard the starting signal for his first term and enjoyed the destabilization. The West is still in the process of realizing that… which means it’s already too late, they slept through it. The East is better positioned for war. The one that provided the balance (America) is not ready for war, because one way or another there will be a civil war before the ethical cleansing begins. Also, every democrat should have a weapon for the future to protect themselves.
Trump always blames others for what he himself plans… Well now he blames others for starting ww3… 1+1= trump wants ww3 and to thin America of population.
I’m not saying that anyone should stop supporting him.
I am saying that if the end goal is to communicate messages of support for the types of things he did, it would likely make more sense to post pictures that couldn’t be easily filtered.
Groups of teens would get a message across(“guillotines”) but would be difficult to filter effectively.
Pictures of one particular character are a lot easier to block.
Filtering systems can effectively block 100% of pictures of Luigi Mangione and of the character Luigi, but if people just posted picture after picture of groups of teenagers, that would be a lot harder to effectively filter.
Text analysis of every single comment etc. Images are irrelevant if the rest reveals the context. Plus for meta data… The profiles that tech companies have of people, including assignment of devices with mac + IP. Very easy, especially with AI, and what a coincidence that everyone is planning such huge data centers just for AI… will of course not be used for censorship or to create ethical groups later at the push of a button… so that ethical cleaning can be tackled really efficiently. ( way more effizient as germany. )
This is really one of the biggest problem we have. They influence elections, they influence public opinion, they spin the narrative as they want.
But have you throught about the parasite being uncomfortable because peasants meme Luigi tho?
