Russia has been bombarded in the biggest Ukrainian drone attack of the war, Moscow officials have said, on the same day as crunch talks are set to be held between Kyiv and the United States.
The Russian Defence Ministry said air defences shot down 337 Ukrainian drones over 10 Russian regions overnight, a record high, as Ukraine hit back at a series of brutal recent attacks launched by Moscow.
At least one Russian civilian has been killed and several injured, with dramatic footage showing fires raging from the exploding drones including in high rise residential buildings near Moscow.
This is what always happens when we stop arming/funding right-wing extremist groups. They make things a million times worse.
Zelenskyy would rather start WW3 than hold elections. Completely psychotic.
Having been to both countries, and made friends in both countries, this whole war really hurts to see. I hate the Russian government, but the Russian people don’t deserve this any more than the Ukrainian people deserve being invaded. I can’t give an opinion on how strategically “necessary” this was in the eyes of Ukrainian military leadership, but it’s sad all the same.
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They actually deserve it
You understand that Russians are just people too, right? They aren’t all a bunch of drooling savages who want to murder Ukrainians or anyone else. Not sure how you can say the Russian civilian population deserves to be punished for what their shitty government does. Have you applied that same logic to your own country and its people? Or is that just something you say about faraway places from the comfort of your own home?
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Ah there’s the slip up. You want a distinction between different types of American voters. Sorry bud.
All Americans are guilty under their government, no matter who they voted for.
Get rid of your blue maga brain rot before it totally cripples you.
Nono, you are thinking to small. See, it’s not just all Americans beeing guilty under their government. You see, even non Americans should fight it. And since they clearly have failed so far ALL humans are guilty. Even you.
That is where your logic leads to. What a bunch of bullshit.
That was not my logic, but their’s laid out in a consistent manner before them.
I do not subscribe to the idea that populations are guilty of the crimes of their governments. Propaganda works in all directions.
Politics is not a red vs blue team sport. Getting rid of that idea is part of solving the equation.
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👏 a well deserved clap back👏
Just like 9/11
Turns out imperialism is bad regardless of it being US or Russian
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will never see their home firebombed
Don’t count those chickens just yet!
Moat people still don’t connect arming extremists in Afghanistan in the 80s to 9/11. There’s an obvious risk of a bunch of Azov Nazis turning to terrorism against former allies who “stabbed them in the back” here, too.
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I don’t really think that’s accurate. Have you actually tried to have a conversation with Marxists regarding the Russo-Ukrainian war, or the Russian Federation or NATO in general? I think you’ll be better able to make sense of Marxist takes, especially if you presumably haven’t read Lenin.
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Neo liberals: This is just Russian propaganda!!! We must continue giving more guns bombs tanks and military ordinance to the Ukraine to defend democracy which we don’y…. I mean definitely still do have here in the United states because of……. I mean DESPITE… Malignant Russian actors who perpetrated the DNC leaks 9 years ago and DEFINITELY NOT wall street corporate military and prison industry profiteers who own both political parties and collude to manipulate the American people and maintain their fascist neo-feudalistic state at all costs!!!
You write like a hallucinating LLM.
What?
It’s sad but you can’t expect attacked countries to not fight back.
They committed a war crime. Take a moment to look at the photo gallery, they bombed civilian cars, civilian apartment complex, single family housing.
And they are doing this on the eve of a potential ceasefire. This is not “sad”, it’s malicious and counterproductive. This kind of attack does nothing to improve the balance of power of Ukraine, it’s essentially state terrorism.
If you’re worried about Ukrainians striking civilian infrastructure, i have some bad news about what Russia has been doing.
This must be that “whataboutism” I keep hearing liberals crying about
What were the targets?
It’s so sad, if only Russia could’ve averted this tragedy somehow.
They tried, for 8 years. The West collectively said “nah, fuck you and your peace deals” and continued to bomb Donbas.
Now y’all are celebrating war crimes with the one hand and clutching your pearls that Russia hits back at military equipment fired from within hospitals (another fucking war crime from Ukraine) with the other.
I hope the upcoming burst of the bubble puts the west down for real, I can’t believe people like you are voting for the people in charge of the biggest military apparatus in human history.
This is a Brazen Lie. There would have been no war in Donbas, no bombing and no death if Russia itself didn’t send its troops in there. The Russians, including Dugin and Girkin, have openly said this. Even Putin mentioned in an interview invading donbas in 2014
Russia tried not attacking Ukraine for 8 years and then just had to do it? That does sound very Russian.
Friend, you’re clutching your pearls over a single attack but Russian invasion has caused tens of thousands of civilian deaths. Give me a break.
I know “no u” is the end all be all of lib argument, but I’m not clutching my pearls at anything. Russia is winning and Ukraine needs this peace deal, and politicians there are gonna have to acknowledge what the population wants soon or mass desertions are gonna be the least of their problems.
I’m sure there’s an argument relevant to the topic in your comment somewhere, I’m just not seeing it.
If only the west hadn’t provoked the whole conflict.
Provoked: How Washington Started the New Cold War with Russia and the Catastrophe in Ukraine
you see? this is why we didn’t want redditors to come to lemmy to begin with. you brought the fucking astroturf campaign with you.
Yes, the Catholic Church “provoked” Henry VIII to murder his wives as well. Or maybe when you choose to murder people you are still accountable for murdering them.
It’s like saying “I told my ex who still lives in the neighborhood they can’t be friends with any new men, and she did it anyways so I blame it on the men for provoking me and I went over to her house and tried to strangle her to death.”
“I’m innocent, it was the new friends that made me do it”
Ah yes, it was the West that made Russia attack. I wish Russia was a sovereign country that didn’t have to obey what West (apparently) tell it to do.
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The justifications for invading another country get wilder and wilder.
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They are a sovereign country, a sovereign country that stated red lines in regard to their territorial security. The West knowingly provoked Russia by posturing that Ukraine would join NATO.
This is exactly the same reaction the US would have if the scenario was flipped (as stated in the Monroe doctrine). It is hugely hypocritical of the previous administration to pretend that Russia is in the wrong for wanting to secure their border.
Being a sovereign country doesn’t give you the right to decide what other sovereign countries do. Believing you are entitled to does make you an imperialist. This applies both to the US and Russia.
Finland’s territorial security has been constantly threatened by Soviet Union and Russia since WW2. Does that give us the right to bomb their civilians, or do only big countries with nuclear weapons get to use this logic?
Otoh, I totally get that in 2025 only big countries with nuclear weapons have any say in geopolitics. It didn’t use to be that way and I wonder greatly about people who think this is a good change.
Ah yes they needed to invade an another country because they felt threatened. Well I’m glad there was a justified reason for it at least.
This is exactly the same reaction the US would have if the scenario was flipped
And would you have been fine with it then, as you seem to be now? Because I sure as hell wouldn’t (and haven’t) been.
Another ceasefire that the fucker Putin will break for 21st time.
Ukraine is torpedo’ing their own ceasefire offer by doing an indiscriminate drone attack (a war crime), and the first thing you think is “buh in my brain Putin would break tuh ceasefuhre uhnyways” ?
And how many war crime has Russia commited by indiscriminately bombing ukrainian civilians? So many you can’t even count them anymore. You don’t seem really bothered by the Russian war crimes. Strange.
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This is what liberals call “whataboutism”
But none of this would be happening if Russia stayed in Russia and wasn’t invading Ukraine and bombing cities. Ukraine was never a threat to Russia.
Ok.
Still whataboutism
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Ok one civilian killed, how many tactical targets did they hit? 337 shot down, how many drones did hit their target? sounds like this post shares only the absolute worst side of the story.
“The Russian Ministry of Defense claimed to have shot down at least 91 drones in the region around Moscow and more than 240 drones directed at other targets across the country.”
“The Ukrainian military said it had targeted Moscow’s oil refinery, which provides more than a third of the fuel consumed in the capital region, along with an oil production station in the Orel region. Neither claim could be independently verified.”
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/11/world/europe/ukraine-russia-moscow-war-drones.html
"Ukraine’s armed forces “struck a number of strategic objects of the Russian Federation involved in ensuring armed aggression against Ukraine,” they said in a statement Tuesday.
The Russian military said it shot down 337 Ukrainian drones over 10 Russian regions. Three people were killed and 18 injured, and several residential buildings damaged, according to Russian officials."
NYT does not say whether a civilian was killed or soldier. They all leave that out. Like almost all Western newspapers. Which is why you got Daily Mail.
Indeed I have seen stories about 1,2 or 3 deaths without mentioning it
Every time Ukraine suffers a big military loss, they start doing massive attacks on civilians to distract from that. https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2025/03/11/retreat-ukrainian-brigades-appear-to-be-leaving-kursk/
edit: I guess basic facts of the situation makes people who’ve been guzzling propaganda for the past three years very upset
Regardless of the truth of that statement, do you contradict the many, many Russian drone and missile attacks against Ukrainian civilian targets? I’m curious if the condemnation for violence against non-combatants goes both ways.
Russia does hit civilian targets as well, however the difference is that Ukraine does this intentionally and systemically. Meanwhile, Ukraine is also known to use civilians as human shields for its army. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/04/ukraine-civilians-army-bases-amnesty-russia-war
The human shield argument has never really passed the smell test for me, especially when used as condemnation against Palestinians. It’s very difficult to defend against the invasion of a civilian area without occupying said civilian area. Existing military infrastructure typically doesn’t exist at the scale a frontline needs in invaded territory. Strikes targeted specifically against civilians are obviously unacceptable and immoral regardless of perpetrator.
The AFU is an actual army operated by the regime in Ukraine, comparing this to Palestinian resistance is the height of absurdity. There actual conventions prohibiting armies from using civilians as human shields, and if you don’t understand why these conventions exist then I really d on’t know what else to tell you here.
I’m not trying to argue that it’s okay. I’m not a military expert or analyst. However, people that are those things don’t make this argument and so I’m not willing to unless I’m provided evidence of a viable alternative. A better example might be the Ba’athist defense of Iraq during the unjustified 2003 invasion (not that the Ba’athist regime wasn’t a nightmare for the Iraqi people, it just wasn’t the US’s place to involve themselves on false pretenses). Iraqi cities are being invaded, they simply don’t have the military infrastructure to have their forces entirely separate from civilian targets, and so civilians end up getting hurt by airstrikes and artillery because of their proximity to military targets. Of course, party extremists also used extreme violence to prevent civilian retreat, but I’ve seen no evidence of this in Ukraine. Convention is all well and good until said conventions would require surrendering territory to avoid conflict in civilian areas. Governments will take any action they deem necessary to survive a conflict. Both parties in a conflict can be immoral.
I’m not aware of any credible experts making this argument, nor does this argument make any sense under even minimal scrutiny. The reality is that a dictatorial regime in Ukraine that cancelled elections and banned opposition parties along with independent media, is holding the country hostage.
Of course, party extremists also used extreme violence to prevent civilian retreat, but I’ve seen no evidence of this in Ukraine.
Aside from all the videos of people being grabbed off the street and being gang pressed into fighting you mean. It’s so bad that even western media is reporting on it https://www.irishtimes.com/world/europe/2023/12/17/people-snatchers-ukraines-army-recruiters-use-harsh-tactics-to-fill-ranks-for-war-against-russia/
Governments will take any action they deem necessary to survive a conflict. Both parties in a conflict can be immoral.
Both parties can be immoral, except in this particular case it’s very clear that western backed fascist regime is the only immoral party.
basic facts of the situation
I think it’s more the selective emphasis than the ‘basic facts’.
Something tells me you’ve never said that about people cherrypicking information that’s beneficial to Ukraine.
if you were capable of thinking you wouldn’t be making these vapid comments here
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Please do little fash.
Every time Russia suffers a big military loss, they start doing massive attacks on civilians to distract from that.
FTFY
Uh-huh, Russia blows up its own civilian populations just like it blows up its own gas pipelines.
Deeply unserious cope.
its own
I’m trying my best to follow but where did “its own” come from here?
The civilian population under discussion is Russia’s own. That’s what this post is about.
You don’t understand the lib mindset, they’re always talking about their monster nazi rapist orc vs the good guys scenario. The post is just an excuse to bring out the script.
They kill their own citizens to hide military losses? You gotta be insane to believe this 😂
But i guess you also believe Russia destroyed their own infrastructure.
You don’t think a country like Russia would kill a few of their civilians in a false flag attack to win a war? Look up and read about any of the major false flag attacks throughout history, consider Russia has a deep history of genocide against their own population, and look up how many Ukrainian civilians have been killed by Russia in the last 8 years
Last I checked it’s AFU that’s getting routed in Kursk. Of course, nobody should expect people who weren’t able to engage with the facts for the past three years to start doing that now.
You mean… both of them do it?
Wow, the power of truth!
More correct is just “Russia is attacking civilians”
If Ukraine ran out of civilians they would start attacking civilians in another country
Sometimes I wonder how the fuck we as the world have been getting all of our shit stolen by people this delusional.
You’re a fucking hair away from being a nazi ragging on about how immigrants are gonna come in and assault everybody and then move elsewhere when they’re done, look in the mirror a little jfc. Hell, you’re already using their asiatic horde script.
There is a comedic lack of self awareness or a comedic lack of historical knowledge in your comment
Historical knowledge like this?
- BBC, 2014: Ukraine underplays role of far right in conflict
- Human Rights Watch, 2014: Ukraine: Unguided Rockets Killing Civilians
- Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
- The Hill, 2017: The reality of neo-Nazis in Ukraine is far from Kremlin propaganda
- The Guardian, 2017: ‘I want to bring up a warrior’: Ukraine’s far-right children’s camp – video
- WaPo, 2018: The war in Ukraine is more devastating than you know
- Reuters, 2018: Ukraine’s neo-Nazi problem
- The Nation, 2019: Neo-Nazis and the Far Right Are On the March in Ukraine
- openDemocracy, 2019: Why Ukraine’s new language law will have long-term consequences
- Al Jazeera, 2022: Why did Ukraine suspend 11 ‘pro-Russia’ parties?
- NYT, 2024: U.N. Court to Rule on Whether Ukraine Committed Genocide
- History of Fascism in Ukraine: Part I, Part II, Part III, Part IV
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Or this?- George Washington Univ., 2017: NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard Declassified documents show security assurances against NATO expansion to Soviet leaders from Baker, Bush, Genscher, Kohl, Gates, Mitterrand, Thatcher, Hurd, Major, and Woerner
- Orinoco Tribune, 2022: Former German Chancellor Merkel Admits that Minsk Peace Agreements Were Part of Scheme for Ukraine to Buy Time to Prepare for War With Russia
- Al Mayadeen, 2023: Zelensky admits he never intended to implement Minsk agreements
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
- Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: NATO Chief Admits NATO Expansion Was Key to Russian Invasion of Ukraine
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Or this?- The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
- CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
- Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
- Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
- Gabriel Rockhill, 2020: The U.S. Did Not Defeat Fascism in WWII, It Discretely Internationalized It
Somebody in here does have a lack of self awareness, but it’s tragic more than it is funny. I’m past seeing the fun in yet another westerner frothing at the mouth.
Do illuminate me though, I’m sure such a brash and confident attitude can only come from
white mediocrityreading a lot of history and political theory books and not just, like, vibes and half remembered headlines.Imperialism doesn’t just end at one country it continues. Look at Occupied China, their 1930 border was a lot smaller than their 1949 border, and they added Tibet. In recent history they added HK and are looking towards Taiwan
You know it’s not about liberating Ukrainians because Russia hasn’t returned any land, if you are going to say that’s because Ukraine is still evil then why aren’t the liberated lands independent of both Russia and Ukraine?
If you think Ukraine is the aggressor in this then how much ground combat has happened in Russia? I’m sure your unbiased/non-western sources are full of battles taking place around Moscow and Saint Petersburg
Look at Occupied China
🤡 Occupied by whom, other than the Chinese people themselves? You know that Chiang Kai-shek was a fascist who the peasantry chased off the mainland and exiled to an island, right? The only reason they didn’t Luigi him is the US intervened, to protect a fascist.
they added Tibet
I’m pretty sure virtually all of the Tibetan people are happy to no longer be suffering under theocratic feudalism. Happy to no longer be illiterate serfs and slaves, suffering depredation under a god-king. I doubt many of them are sad that CIA asset Dalai “suck my tongue” Lama is in exile.
In recent history they added HK
Because the UK’s 99 year lease to subjugate Hong Kong ended, yes. A lease which had been forced upon Imperial China at gunpoint during the century of humiliation. Hong Kong reintegration after the lease expired was a foregone conclusion.
If you think Ukraine is the aggressor in this then how much ground combat has happened in Russia? I’m sure your unbiased/non-western sources are full of battles taking place around Moscow and Saint Petersburg
I don’t know where you’re going with this straw man. No one claiming that Russia didn’t invade Ukraine.
You think China peacefully reintegrating Hong Kong from British rule is… Chinese imperialism?
At least use an archive link if you’re going to share the Daily Mail
Daily Mail (essentially trump/putin media)
i wouldnt be surprised if the russians attacked themselves so they could turn back on their ceasefire and make the ukrainians look like war crazed terrorists.
ill believe it fully when the ukrainians themselves claim the attack on a non biased platform. this is practically a heresay news source from the far right.
I don’t support Putin but that doesn’t mean I blindly dismiss that civilians get harmed in military conflicts. The thrust of your reasoning appears to be “Ukraine is good, Russia is bad, killing civilians is bad, Ukraine killed Russian civilians…DOES NOT COMPUTE…CONTRADICTION…DISMISS THE FACTS”
Like, dude. War is Hell. And it’s never as simple as good guys and bad guys. Sure, Putin is a clear bad guy. But most everything else going on is morally grey. As for the facts of the attack, this was confirmed by AP, the BBC, and CNN. Are you sure the British are Trump/Putin media? What about the AP, which has been barred from the White House over Trump’s “Gulf of America” debacle? There’s no excuses for not simply looking it up. You made this post 35 minutes ago.
EDIT: To be clear, I do oppose Trump, Putin, and the Daily Mail. They are all authoritarian right-wing in ideology if not outright neo-fascist/neo-nationalist/proto-fascist
im merely dismissing known state propagandist news sources as fact. i need more evidence from unbiased sources to make an educated decision. also timing is sus as hell.
sorry, i just dont blindly believe the first thing i read, especially from sources like the daily mail. the list on why is long, but it ends with a fascist and an oligarch in the oval office, dismantling the US and attacking my country. and they (daily mail, and news sources like them) are partially responsible for this entire mess.
war is hell, but the media motivates it, spins it, justifies it, and in itself, it is a weapon of war. its important to question sources, now more than ever.
I guess I’m saying you can dismiss the Daily Mail without developing speculative conspiracy theories to explain away its claims. A broken clock is right twice a day. But, yeah. I wish OP had posted a source other than the Mail
i wouldnt be surprised if the russians attacked themselves
The absolute state of libs. Put down the tinfoil.
Russians are at the same time desperate for a peace deal bc they’re getting decimated but staging an elaborate and incredibly expensive attack to jettison the deal. ??? Boy am I not surprised your ruling class doesn’t respect your intellect enough to pretend they’re not robbing you blind.
Russians are at the same time desperate for a peace deal bc they’re getting decimated but staging an elaborate and incredibly expensive attack to jettison the deal. ???
they do this tactic in war, super advanced technology. its called a “F.I.B.”…works wonders, its been patented and used by the most horrible of fascist regimes, but its said to have existed for millenia, and its a beautiful weapon, a tremendous weapon, some say, and ive heard them, they call it THE BEST weapon, and it works wonders on people, and nearly half of americans, SO MUCH SO in fact that it helped them (oligarchs, russians, bad actors etc) alter many elections over the years. but most recently in the last US election.
F.I.B.
F eeding. I diots. B ullshit.
theres one cure for it, and its a simple program, but you have to want to do it yourself, and do it constantly, every day. and thats the kicker. but here it goes.
check your sources. look for bias. dont take everything at face value. think critically, question everything, and never stop looking for the truth.
(on this subject specifically, i need more sources and confirmed evidence beyond what comes from the kremlin, the timing is just…too perfect)
This sort of shit is why I distrust gringos, you bring up the villain of the month and y’all might as well be talking about Voldemort. I get that your education is barely good enough to teach you literacy, but you have to get past processing all politics as villanous caricatures and shining armor heroics.
Grow up.
When was it? I’m looking at Russian news and not seeing anything, they’re usually pretty eager to talk about drone attacks. I read about one on Nizhny Novgorod, IIRC it was early morning 11.03
Thanks! Guess I didn’t look hard enough
If Ukraine actually did this, it’s a beautiful find out stage after Russia has been fucking around for far too long. But the skeptic in me says this is actually a false flag staged to manufacture reasons to deny peace talks and continue to escalate.
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People who don’t understand what Ukraine is doing are priviledged and their culture has never had to fight an oppressor or they won long ago and their people simply forgot what it was like to fight to survive.
My people were invaded, genocided and attempts were made to assimilate us after genocide attempts failed. Our patriots fought back for many years, but ultimately lost. Know what the oppressors called our patriots? The old way of calling your victim a “terrorist” for fighting back: A traitor to the crown (you can guess which nation did this to us now). Our patriots were hung in mass and anyone that believed in the cause and rebelled were also hung. Our patriots had killed many soldiers and civilians in the attempts to free our people from the invading nation. It was unavoidable and a necessary sacrifice to make for the cause in their minds. Today, we have a holiday in their honour, as our people ended up surviving the genocide and assimilation attempts and we didn’t forget their efforts to free us.
Death is part of war and a victim of oppression is allowed to defend themselves from being genocided. The struggles to survive don’t just happen within people’s rose tinted glasses. I’m tired of the priviledged trying to control the narrative of what is “right” or “wrong” for a nation to do in response to being genocided.
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Ukraine attacking civilians is old news. They love crashing their drones into whatever house is nearby when they fail to find a military target.
Thankfully Russia has taken great care to avoid civilian deaths, which is why we thankfully never have to include it as context.
Russia doesn’t need a pretext, they’re winning the war. Meanwhile, the fact that you think terrorist attacks against civilians is a beautiful things says all we need to know about you as a person.
Theh government started a war with another country. They are at war and people die in war. Want civilians to not die? End the war and go home.
That’s what yankees are about to do, they’re going to end their proxy war with Russia and go home this year.
their proxy war
Meanwhile Russia did the war-war. I think you should do two posts about war-war accountability for every one post about proxy-war accountability.
This is that “whataboutism” that liberals are always crying about.
Oh god, not the liberals.
Tankies and their new word for the boogeyman are something else.
“Liberal” has a clearly-defined meaning, and 95+% of people of the imperial core are liberals, because it is the hegemonic ideology of the imperial core.
The first sentence from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism:
Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, the right to private property and equality before the law.
From the first paragraph of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_property[1]:
Private property is foundational to capitalism, an economic system based on the private ownership of the means of production and their operation for profit.
That’s what liberals believe. Liberals are those who support capitalism.
Meanwhile, “tankie” is just a floating signifier. It’s just a pejorative and a thought-terminating cliché to dismiss people to the left of liberalism.
Not to be confused with personal property. ↩︎
“liberals aren’t real, they’re just a boogyman” is certainly a take.
Meanwhile, you should spend a bit of time to understand the subject you’re attempting to opine on so as not to publicly embarrass yourself.
Oh my god.
The propaganda machine has gotten to you.
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“Everyone who ignores herd mentality is a troll.”
That’s legitimately how bad things have gotten. Glad I don’t take kids like you seriously anymore.
Bye fash.
That’s rich coming out of you!
I see we have a connoisseur of the horseshoe theory on our hands here.
Have you ever considered that Ukraine doesn’t want peace talks to succeed? Agree with it or not, they want their land back. By attacking Russia in its capital heavily right before peace talks, they’re daring Putin to fume about it and end up violating the ceasefire, giving Ukraine the ability to say “We told you so” and ask for more money from the US and EU.
Why would they want peace talks between Trump and Putin to succeed? That’s like wishing that peace talks between Hitler and Stalin went great.
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This shouldn’t have been removed, even if I disagree with it.
guess you didn’t have that tune on 9/11
If you had that tune then surely you’re in favour of this?
Idk, I think the financiers directly profiting off US resource wars and bookkeeping for the pentagon had more to do with the war than random schoolchildren and grandmas sleeping far away from any military targets.
What about the janitors, cleaners and other regular people working in the building, perhaps the passengers of those planes?
I mean if you are fine with that sort of collateral damage then I don’t see why you wouldn’t be fine when it happens to Russia. Wouldn’t want to be hypocritical…
Wouldn’t want to be hypocritical
Pot, kettle. You are apparently fine with it happening to Russian citizens, but against it happening to yanks. Maybe look in the mirror a bit harder
Buddy, I’m not the one who wrote that original message. Maybe look at the usernames a bit harder. I didn’t write anything about being against it happening to Yanks.
Like said, wouldn’t want to be hypocritical.
This is a stupid escalation. If Russia so wished, they could level Kyiv overnight, they have more than enough weapons to do it.
Now, that would be the kind of shit liberals pretend Russia is already doing, just carpet bombing the entire area willy nilly (because they think what the fascist US does is what everyone does), but it’s not been the strategy, given that Russia doesn’t want to make a lifelong enemy of the Ukrainian people and it would make the peace talks that Russia hasn’t taken off the table from day one all but impossible.
The only reason this is happening is because Zelensky knows what awaits him specifically as soon as the war is done, he’ll get hung out to dry for all the war crimes the US commissioned in the first place.
If Russia so wished, they could level Kyiv overnight
AKA the “Jeffrey Dahmer could have been worse” argument lol
Relevant SMBC:
Lawyer: Okay, let’s say my client killed his wife. What about the people he didn’t kill?! That’s six billion people! Don’t they matter? Don’t they matter?!
Caption: In an alternate universe, Jeffrey Dahmer has a thank you parade every year.
I swear to god libs are incapable of conceiving more than 5 people in their head at any time, always with the reductive analogies, and it’s always a rapist or a serial killer or both. Grow the fuck up.
how boring of a shill do you have to be to want to try and cast Russia as a hero at any point in the past 100 years, let alone in the past 11?
what a disgusting asshole writing complete fiction.
Regardless of your opinion on the current war, the Soviet Union was by and large one of the best countries in the 20th century, from siding with Palestine, Cuba, China, etc to defeating the Nazis to making dramatic strides for the working class. Of all the major world powers, the Soviet Union was definitely the most able to be considered heroic.
Regardless of your opinion on the current war
“Other than that, how was the play?”
If you can explain where the Soviet Union still exists I’d love to know, but to my knowledge it dissolved in the early 90s and thus isn’t a participent.
Well that’s a completely deranged take but okay.
No facts, no thoughts, just thinking Hollywood propaganda films are as good as reading a book lmao
Great point, Holodomor was fabricated by Hollywood on the same fake sets as the moon landing. There’s literally no reasonable good faith charitable interpretation that could possibility be referencing a legitimate criticism. This elevates the quality of communication and is an indication of good faith participation in conversations sincerely directed at cultivating shared understanding.
Close, it was invented by literal Nazis and spread by Hollywood and William Randolph Hearst and revived during the 80s by spurious studies done by Harvard in service of rekindling the cold war.
I know I should know better than expecting libs to ever read anything other than YA fiction but here it goes anyway. Plenty of citations, very concise.
Also, for how much libs rag on about bots you’d think y’all would stop writing like you’re getting paid by the word. Talk like normal people, five dollar words do you no good when you flail them around to hide your cookie cutter views. Only children and redditors think more bigger words=smarter.
The only deranged thing here is your comment.
I think that’s a low effort cheap shot but because there’s sympathetic dogpiling voting patterns you get to evade criticism for doing the same thing.
You’re welcome child.
How so?
If Russia so wished, they could level Kyiv overnight, they have more than enough weapons to do it.
i don’t think you realize how big cities are. that’s a lot of bombs.
and why would they destroy the thing that they are trying to win? how would that make sense
how would that make sense
Ask the media that’s been screeching about a “full scale invasion” since 2022
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America nuked Japan twice and they ended up pretty good friends. If Russia could, they would. They don’t want to get pants’ed on the world stage.
You want to make a lifelong enemy? Renege on 20 peace deals since 2014.
The peace deals that Ukraine kept violating from day one (probably by order of the US, given that Israel does the same shit of calling it a ceasefire and insisting only the others actually cease firing). There’s videos of Zelensky going to Azov and telling them to abide by the peace deals and them laughing in his fucking face.
Here: https://www.kyivpost.com/post/6652 from a fucking hErOiC and uNbiASed source.
I thought the concept of lebensraum was violently debunked nearly 80 years ago but apparently some people didn’t get the memo. Sounds like most of you skipped the lesson on how appeasement turns out too.
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Its pretty morally clear cut when you use your own brain to think about it.
Yes, a lot of different states get involved in an international conflicts. Its not pretty or squeaky clean, that’s how war works. If you didn’t want that then you should have opposed the decades of aggression from Putin’s Russia, it’s a bit late to get your hackles up now.
But you do you man, you can whatabout and bothsides all the way to the firing squad. I’ll be rooting for your gold medal in the mental gymnastics event.
Don’t call someone stupid when you can’t even put together a coherent thought
Learning a few German words and pretending everyone’s a nazi except for the people who hired every Nazi they could find isn’t a substitute for actually reading history and understanding current politics.
There’s not a single serious analyst claiming Russia is pursuing this war in the interest of land, they have the largest landmass in all of Eurasia, you fucking clown. This war started because of the US coup, states seceded because they didn’t recognize their Washington appointed government as legitimate.
But you do you man, you can whatabout and bothsides all the way to the firing squad
Lmao. Tough talk coming from armchair generals as per usual when they’re not busy clutching pearls that the Ukraine military got absolutely dogwalked. Have fun with your oncoming cost of living crisis once the line stops going up because you were too busy frothing at the mouth at whomever the state department pointed you to. Be careful not to get a cold, might end up an indentured servant sooner than that.
Wow. I’m kinda shocked by this news. Ukraine on the offensive? Why?
Let’s not pretend as if anyone here can know the real answer to that. But… Kyiv has been attacked with terror attacks since the start of this war, so why not Moscow? Perhaps it might bring some sense to the russian people who are currently complete sheeps when it comes to their leadership.
Unfortunately(?) attacks against civilians rarely work in lowering morale.
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At this point, even if not optimal, I’m not actually entirely against Hamas doing that.
But again, the same thing applies to attacks against civilians. It rarely works in any strategic sense.
They’re not on an offensive, they’re just sending drones to attack civilian infrastructure to distract from their collapse in Kursk https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2025/03/11/retreat-ukrainian-brigades-appear-to-be-leaving-kursk/
They need to have some success to put onto the table and show USA and EU they still can win. Regardless of this “win” being basically terror attack, USA and EU loves them anyway.
Negotiations in Saudi right now. Ukraine probably wants to show they are willing to bomb cities just like Russia if they do not get a good deal.
Likely also to distract from the massive disaster that’s unfolding in Kursk.
How come when Russia drops bombs it’s a military target (or something meters away from one) but when Ukraine drops bombs it’s always schools, apartments, and shopping malls?
Russia has dropped many bombs on civilians building and infrastructure.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2022/08/ukraine-ukrainian-fighting-tactics-endanger-civilians/ again, meters away from military targets.
Amnesty has to throw its “both sides” shit into it as always but even a propaganda arm of the UK government admits Ukraine has been deliberately firing weapons dangerously close and often within civilian infrastructure. That “hamas uses human shields” nonsense that nobody ever provides proof of? There’s ample proof when it comes to Ukraine (and Israel), it’s the CIA playbook.
At 22 out of 29 schools visited, Amnesty International researchers either found soldiers using the premises or found evidence of current or prior military activity – including the presence of military fatigues, discarded munitions, army ration packets and military vehicles.
Maybe read your own article?
“…In certain other locations in which Amnesty International concluded that Russia had committed war crimes, including in some areas of the city of Kharkiv, the organization did not find evidence of Ukrainian forces located in the civilian areas unlawfully targeted by the Russian military.”
Using your same source (therefore I assume you accept it as credible) here are a few articles from this year showing Russia as the problem in the conflict, including one specifically calling out the Russia war crimes against civilians (you should particularly pay attention to the link to the report about “deadly Russian airstrikes on civilians”)
https://www.amnesty.org/en/petition/end-war-crimes-against-ukrainians-in-russian-captivity/
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What is that quote supposed to prove or disprove? No one is implying* that Russia has a perfect scorecard for respecting international treaties.
The bigger point of this article (that seems to go over your head) is that Ukraine also has a responsibility to prevent civilian casualties, which it has neglected regularly. Furthermore, the drone bombing act seems to have been a massive indiscriminate attack, looking at the images, there’s multiple nonsensical targets such as civilians dwelling and some civilian parking lots. Whyever would any serious military target those? All this does is escalate a bloody conflict that should’ve been diplomatically settled years ago.
Maybe understand that Amnesty always has been a tool for manufacturing consent for western intervention, and if they’re criticizing a western ally that means something is horribly wrong with them, but they’re gonna have to fling criticism at the other party any way they can as well.
I don’t use it because I consider it trustworthy in and of itself, but because you probably do. In the same way you’d probably use a CGTN source to say “even china admits it” or teleSUR to say “even Venezuela admits it” when criticizing either of them.
the same way you’d probably use a CGTN source to say “even china admits it” or teleSUR to say “even Venezuela admits it” when criticizing either of them.
Nah, it’s just China bad with infinite Zenz source loops.
I don’t use it because I consider it trustworthy in and of itself, but because you probably do
Right but the source you cited was literally saying the exact opposite of what you claimed.
Interesting, thank you for sharing.
Russia just killed six people, including two children in Donetsk yesterday.
(crickets…)
One of these two actors is actively and aggressively siezing strategic territory needed for a sound position in a changing climate. I’ll give you a hint: neither of them give a shit about living in Russia.
I hope to see this same victim blaming enthusiasm when America invades Canada and Greenland for the same reasons.
Nice word salad you got there, but smashing a dozen military sounding buzzwords doesn’t make your sentences coherent, it just makes you look like a dumbass redditor.
Also “If you’re not critical of military opposition to american interventionism, I hope to see you enthusiastic about American interventionism for the same reasons”. You libs would be funny as hell if I didn’t have to live with the consequences of your racism and idiocy.
Didn’t Russia bomb a building with “children” painted in front of it once
Please tell me you are being sarcastic.
If that’s not possible, please check news sources other than RT.
You are either a troll, a Russian bot, or completely obtuse.
bombing civilian targets yields bigger optics and fatigues the population
i don’t know that the split in strategy between the two belligerents is as plain as you’re implicating though
