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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many āesotericā right wing freaks, but thereās no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iām talking redscare-ish, reality challenged āculture criticsā who write about everything but understand nothing. Iām talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyāre inescapable at this point, yet I donāt see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnāt be surgeons because they didnāt believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canāt escape them, I would love to sneer at them.
(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)
Fellas, 2023 called. Dan (and Eric Schmidt wtf, Sinophobia this man down bad) has gifted us with a new paper and let me assure you, bombing the data centers is very much back on the table.
"Superintelligence is destabilizing. If China were on the cusp of building it first, Russia or the US would not sit idly byātheyād potentially threaten cyberattacks to deter its creation.
@ericschmidt @alexandr_wang and I propose a new strategy for superintelligence. š§µ
Some have called for a U.S. AI Manhattan Project to build superintelligence, but this would cause severe escalation. States like China would noticeāand strongly deterāany destabilizing AI project that threatens their survival, just as how a nuclear program can provoke sabotage. This deterrence regime has similarities to nuclear mutual assured destruction (MAD). We call a regime where states are deterred from destabilizing AI projects Mutual Assured AI Malfunction (MAIM), which could provide strategic stability. Cold War policy involved deterrence, containment, nonproliferation of fissile material to rogue actors. Similarly, to address AIās problems (below), we propose a strategy of deterrence (MAIM), competitiveness, and nonproliferation of weaponizable AI capabilities to rogue actors. Competitiveness: China may invade Taiwan this decade. Taiwan produces the Westās cutting-edge AI chips, making an invasion catastrophic for AI competitiveness. Securing AI chip supply chains and domestic manufacturing is critical. Nonproliferation: Superpowers have a shared interest to deny catastrophic AI capabilities to non-state actorsāa rogue actor unleashing an engineered pandemic with AI is in no oneās interest. States can limit rogue actor capabilities by tracking AI chips and preventing smuggling. āDoomersā think catastrophe is a foregone conclusion. āOstrichesā bury their heads in the sand and hope AI will sort itself out. In the nuclear age, neither fatalism nor denial made sense. Instead, ārisk-consciousā actions affect whether we will have bad or good outcomes."
Dan literally believed 2 years ago that we should have strict thresholds on model training over a certain size lest big LLM would spawn super intelligence (thresholds we have since well passed, somehow we are not paper clip soup yet). If all it takes to make super-duper AI is a big data center, then how the hell can you have mutually assured destruction like scenarios? You literally cannot tell what they are doing in a data center from the outside (maybe a building is using a lot of energy, but not like you can say, āoh they are running they are about to run superintelligence.exe, sabotage the training runā ) MAD āworksā because itās obvious the nukes are flying from satellites. If the deepseek team is building skynet in their attic for 200 bucks, this shit makes no sense. Ofc, this also assumes one side will have a technology advantage, which is the opposite of what weāve seen. The code to make these models is a few hundred lines! There is no moat! Very dumb, do not show this to the orangutan and muskrat. Oh wait! Dan is Muskyās personal AI safety employee, so I assume this will soon be the official policy of the US.
link to bs: https://xcancel.com/DanHendrycks/status/1897308828284412226#m
Also I think he doesnāt understand MAD like, at all. The point isnāt that you can strike your enemyās nuclear infrastructure and prevent them from fighting back. In fact thatās the opposite of the point. MAD as a doctrine is literally designed around the fact that you canāt do this, which is why the Soviets freaked out when it looked like we were seriously pursuing SDI.
Instead the point was that nuclear weapons were so destructive and hard to defend against that any move against the sovereignty of a nuclear power would result in a counter-value strike, and whatever strategic aims were served by the initial aggression would have to be weighed against something in between the death of millions of civilians in the nuclear annihilation of major cities and straight-up ending human civilization or indeed all life on earth.
Also if you wanted to reinstate MAD I think that the US, Russia, and probably China have more than enough nukes to make it happen.
You mean MAD doesnāt stand for Unilaterally Assured Destruction?
Musk assured
The proper acronym should be MāAAM. And instead of a āroman salutā they can tip their fedora as a distinctive sign š¤·āāļø
the only part of this I really approve of is how likely these fuckers are to want to Speak To The Manager
I guess now that USAID is being defunded and the government has turned off their anti-russia/china propaganda machine, private industry is taking over the US hegemony psyop game. Efficient!!!
/s /s /s I hate it all
If theyāre gonna fearmonger can they at least be creative about it?!?! Everyoneās just dusting off the mothballed plans to Quote-Unquote āconfrontā Chy-na after a quarter-century detour of fucking up the Middle East (moreso than the US has done in the past)
Credit to Dan, who clearly sees the winds are changing. The doomer grift donāt pay as much no moā so instead he turns to being a china hawk and advocate for chip controls and cyberwarfare as the way to stay in the spotlight. As someone who works in the semiconductor biz and had to work 60 hours last week because our supply chains are now completely fucked due to the tariffs, these chucklefucks can go pound sand and then try to use that pounded sand to make a silicon ingot.
two giant upsets to the semi market in the space of half a decade is probably perfectly fine and wonāt have multi year global impacts, right? right?
(oof at that week, and gāluck with whatever still comes your way with that)
Ah appreciate it. Donāt worry too much about me, I enjoy the work in a fucked-up way because it makes me feel like a big business boy and my mommy is real proud of me.
But it is stressful cuz there are a bunch of people in China and the US whose jobs depend on us being able to solve this problem and that keeps me up at night. I got the handle tho.