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I don’t want to argue with you in this comment section, truly. I think we have very different perspectives on the same data, and I’m struggling to see exactly how we’re coming to loggerheads here.

In everything I’ve studied, including extensive reading of his personal and professional writings (I was obsessed for a while when I was younger), I’ve come to the conclusion that Hitler was a Christian. I am nowhere near alone in this. It’s late and I’m tired, so whatever, I’ll concede this point.

I don’t get why you want to argue about the rest with me? I’ve seen your name here a lot and you seem like a cool dude. If you want to continue this with me, I guess I’m game, but tomorrow.

There are serious threads of neopaganism in evangelical Christianity now – just look at ‘crunchy moms’.

I feel like my original point has been lost. I’m specifically speaking against the ‘no true Scotsman’ thing we’re seeing, and how that thinking is leading many people to accidentally cheerlead for the very forces that are ripping us apart.

Again, lots of Christians (which have informed the mythology surrounding Hitler and thus his Wikipedia page) really, really don’t want history to think he was Christian. That does not make it not true.

I am sourcing his actual words and actual actions, throughout his reich. I have many, many direct sources.

This is very similar to people claiming the fascists currently decimating US democracy aren’t ‘real’ Christians. Yes they are.

e: and does what was in his heart of hearts really matter? His reich was xtian, just as trump’s is, whether or not he truly believed, whatever that even means.

Do his words and actions which contradict that after he took power not matter by comparison?

Which words and actions? Do you have sources?

Every time I’ve heard this, nobody can give actual sources. I can, though, for everything from a sanctioned christian state to the individual regulations for official Nazi groups and the delegation of medals. For instance:

Before 1933, in fact, some bishops prohibited Catholics in their dioceses from joining the Nazi Party. This ban was dropped after Hitler’s March 23, 1933, speech to the Reichstag in which he described Christianity as the “foundation” for German values. The Centre Party was dissolved as part of the signing of a 1933 Concordat between the Vatican and Nazi governmental representatives, and several of its leaders were murdered in the Röhm purge in July 1934.

Do you have sources to refute this?

E: sorry, I just saw you’re not my original interlocutor. I’m not trying to be adversarial here.

I’m sorry, but this reads as the many, many coping ‘readings’ that try to downplay his overt Christianity.

I get it, and I’m not trying to attack you, but this is just wrong.

He did not convert in the years after this quote, as can be evidenced by his favouring of the church up to the end days, the Catholic Church supporting his efforts due to mutual reciprocity, his integration of christian teachings and outright requirements into the Nazi requirements (including requirements for medals), continued iconography, etc.

I’m sorry if it hurts, but Hitler was a Christian, and you can’t say his own words don’t matter because a quote is from a few years before he took power.

By the end of the 1930s, the Reich was pretty anti-religion.

They objectively weren’t. Can I ask where you’re getting that impression?

It’s really not complicated. Christians have just tried to make it so for a long time.

There’s overwhelming evidence that Hitler was a staunch Christian: the man himself said:

We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity. Our movement is Christian.

I get annoyed when people denigrate reading or owning Mein Kampf – everyone should read it. The myths of Hitler have overshadowed the truths, and we need to learn from the truths.

His movement was one of a religious zealot taking those beliefs to extremes, which involved the decimation of another in the Abrahamic triad, as happens with alarming regularity.

Or colonisation in Africa or South America, or in Australia and New Zealand, or basically everywhere xtians have gone. Amongst their mandates in the bible is to spread their beliefs to ‘lower’ cultures, after all. Ya know, to ‘save’ them.

Or the Holocaust – fun fact, Hitler wasn’t atheist, that’s just one more thing xtians lie about to distance themselves from it; the Nazis required prayers in school, included it in their oaths, and steeped their iconography in it.

It’s insane how many widespread genocides have their roots in this toxic mythology.

e: there are some extreme recent examples, too, like the guy who tried bringing Jesus to the North Sentinelese, with tragically predictable results. But he believed in the mission, just like the rest of the brainwashed. Unfortunately they’re going to kill us instead of themselves.

You actually can – just long-press the dash.

En-dash: –
Em-dash: —
Dot: •

You can also do proper ellipses by long-pressing the full stop…

And long-press most letters for more options: ă é ï ø û æ œ ç ñ $ £ €

Pretty much everything is in there.

The ice cream no longer exists. It hasn’t existed for a long time, and no amount of wishing will bring it back.

I want ice cream, too. But before we can have ice cream again, we need to not die.

It would be cathartic for many of us, though.

That’s what happens when you put people in leadership positions who earnestly believe that empathy is a ‘fundamental weakness’. Ya know, ignoring that empathy is precisely what’s made us successful as a species in the first place.

A few years feels optimistic. I’d wager on by the end of this year, at the rate everything is getting defunded.

I think people vastly underestimate the effectiveness of annual mitigation efforts by multiple agencies that have either already been cut or on the chopping block.

Many of these agencies go unnoticed because they work well, but will be immediately obvious once they’re gone.

I’ve got some ocean front property in Arizona. From the front porch you can see the sea.

We’re not homo naledi. We’ve been living in increasingly modern societies forever, and definitely long enough for it to be more natural to us as a species than shitting in bushes and dying of dysentery.

Anything from the Discovery Institute or the stuff aimed at kids by PragerU is usually a good start. Materials by Creation Ministries or any of the christian textbook companies is good, too.

I don’t have specific video links, but like I said, it doesn’t matter much. If you search for ‘christian curriculum’ or ‘christian textbook’ you’ll see many various examples.

e: they can speak for themselves just fine.

Why am I just now noticing Tesla’s logo looks exactly like an IUD?

Looks like a robot.

They might also get around like sea lions, hard to say.

Some people seem to only not assault others because they might get called out on it, so they assume everyone else is the same way. It’s pretty weird, and they’re really just telling on themselves.