Yes it’s quite novel. Most national identities and stereotypes are from the latter half of the nineteenth century. Read Eric Hobsbawns ‘the invention of tradition’’ for example.

The Italian cuisine and it’s staples are very much a construction from the post war period, look at the history of the spaghetti carbonara, which was wiped up by an American army cook, but was later elevated to an supposedly ‘ancient’ recipe.

But before the era of nationalism most people didn’t think in terms of nations and national stereotypes.

I think that we do not disagree in most points.

My argument is in line with ‘the invention of tradition’ of Eric Hobsbawn and ‘imagined communities’ by Benedict Anderson in that most ‘national identity and tradition’ is an actively put forward construct that is really not as ancient as it purports.

The ownership of national dishes is what I argue against, the one in this thread that elicited my response was that of mashed potatoes being an Irish dish. If you read correctly it’s my interlocutor that made the point about the British repression forcing the potato on the Irish, and the argument of that being the National dish is even more silly to me.

So no disagreement in that matter, I would say.

The Aztec argument is about what is fundamentally Mexican and the tragedy of that civilization being wiped out. This is another example that traditionalism about culture is a rather silly position to hold in an argument.

But if you re read the thread I think you’ll find that

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I don’t think any food type can be claimed by a nation, that idea is very novel. You talk about bread and I think about the quintessential Italian ciabatta bread, which was invented in the 1990’s.

But I do really enjoy experiencing different cultures. I don’t subscribe to the idea of ownership of any of it by any country or culture. That is all.

I do think cultures can change. I only don’t think foodstuffs become a national thing that way. Like I said as a response in this thread that certainly the original population and culture of the Aztecs was almost completely destroyed.

The idea that the portal became Irish because it was forced upon them by the English is a bit ironic, with a whiff of Stockholm syndrome, at least for me.

The appropriation of certain dishes as national is, in itself, a rather novel idea.

You say that like it’s a bad thing. Cuisine is particularly evolutionary.

The question ‘what is Mexican’ is particularly dark in this context as the conquistadors managed to wipe it so much of it’s people and culture.

Italian cuisine is particularly enjoyable for this. The carbonara sauce was an improvisation by an American army cook, and one of the first recipes had it made with cream.

And part off modern sushi is Norwegian, as they had an excess of salmon they kind of imposed the idea to use it on sushi, which worked.

Chilly peppers in Indian cuisine where introduced by the Portugese

Cuisine is one of the most fusion sensitive bits of culture out there and most claims of originality are bogus in a way.

I’m just disputing the started fact that mashed potato is an Irish invention. There’s plenty of Irish things after that date, but that’s because people didn’t really think about ‘national’ things untill the late 19th century, take the Scottish tartan, fi (which was popularized by an English textile merchant btw).

That’s not an option as the works are critical of the governement and those sensitive souls in the pluche seats would be very upset about being confronted with their blatant hypocrisy.

Seeing that both vegetables were part of the Columbian exchange and therefore have no pre 1500 European roots it’s improper to call any potato preparation ‘Irish’.

FIFA should’ve ousted him themselves, if they wanted to remain credible. The guy almost sold out it’s most precious assets.

I mean, there’s plenty of tools like that that still work at Google.

Donald Quichot strikes again!

If he was more intelligent and clever, the reception would be wildly different. It’s a gift he’s dumb as shit.

Mr Schicklgruber

I hope you have something to gain by being this obtuse,

Hey now, not all cocksuckers are bad cocksuckers!

As a bus driver: This insensitivity will not stand!

Quickly grab the Alsace !

The former, imho. Plus capitalize the first letter and don’t forget the apostrophe in Ironman’s (however ‘Ironman is’ is better).

Basically you took an older joke and bungled the delivery with a sentence with as many errors as there are words.