• MisterScruffy@lemmy.ml
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    2 days ago

    I don’t understand this meme. Ukraine was more or less a neutral state before 2014 and then there was a pro-Western coup that removed the democratically elected gov and set off the violence that is still going on. That’s what drew Russia into the conflict.

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      Former President Viktor Yanukovych actually denied democracy by choosing not to sign a trade agreement with the EU, which was overwhelmingly approved of in parliament and by the public, in 2013 and he was ousted by Ukrainians. The Russians then became involved by fueling counterprotests and annexing Crimea.

      AFAIK there were no US sponsored groups, no boots on the ground, but vaguely some 5Bn USD given to Ukraine for defence between 1991 and 2014.

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        First there was an EU agreement. But then IMF added conditions to make the agreement impossible. That is what caused it/whole to be rejected. Nazis committing a black flag execution of protesters blaming it on government was the coup that caused Yanukovych to flee. The US installed coup rulers imposing apartheid against Russian speakers, and the Odessa massacre is what caused Crimea to leave, and Donbas to demand autonomy.

        • PugJesus@lemmy.world
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          lmao

          The embarrassment of the Nuland-Pyatt call was that our diplomats were speaking quite undiplomatically about our partners and the then-opposition in Ukraine, not that it implied a coup. Euromaidan happened over a desire to integrate with the EU, while our diplomats said “Fuck the EU” in a private call about the players in the ongoing negotiations, preferring the UN. Unless your argument now is that the US was actually in opposition to Euromaidan and EU membership all along, or that the UN is a CIA plot too?

          Keep peddling your “Color Revolutions were a CIA plot!” fantasies though.

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      2 days ago

      The past leader of Ukraine was in Putin’s pocket. Zelensky actually changed this and obviously being annexed kinda makes it hard to be neutral, so I’m not sure where you got that from.

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        So was Ukraine neutral before 2014 or not? The meme seems to be saying it was neutral and I’m also saying it was more or less neutral.

        Are you disagreeing with the meme?

      • Arthur Besse@lemmy.ml
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        The past leader of Ukraine was in Putin’s pocket. Zelensky actually changed this

        Huh, that is interesting. Can you tell us any more about his predecessor?