I wish it wasn’t so tragic, so I could laugh at people who couldn’t vote for Harris because Biden didn’t single-handedly stop the genocide.
The great majority of those people aren’t on here talking about it anymore.
Well, the Russian trolls aren’t needed anymore now that Trump won.
Doesn’t seem they are entirely gone.
There’s always some real humans duped by the bots and at this point they have 2 choices: accept they were duped or go all in.
We are just left with the useful idiots that unfortunately bought into it.
Now the same accounts are blaming democrats for not going far enough left. I think the goal is to push democrats and republicans so far apart on the political spectrum that nothing gets done.
Yeah if only the Democrats had went more right. That would have saved things this time around. Also thanks to Biden talking about “moving together” and “healing” in 2020 the Republicans deradicalized…
Nothing the Democrats could have done would have convinced 10 million fascist-enabling morons to vote.
Really? Then how came 12 million more people voted for Biden in 2020?
Because there was a pandemic that resulted in the highest voter turnout ever.
Yeah, shocking.
But happily downvoting. I hope all the terrorist simps here are happy for going after Harris, because this is the result they consequently wanted.
No, your admin and mods banned those accounts in the lead up to the election under the reason “troll,” because you people (meant as offensively as reasonable) can’t take opposing view points or the guilt of explicitly supporting genocide.
If two bans was all it took to silence all those voices, they weren’t that plentiful to begin with.
Removed by mod
I suspect we both know which two they are talking about
Yet here you are. You must be stealthier than the others. Don’t worry, I won’t tell them you’re here.
Removed by mod
It’s ok, friend. I like that your mere presence refutes your own argument and that your attitude shows the kind of things you generally get banned from instances for.
So how old is your account? A day? You sure showed me! You’re doing great, buddy!
I didn’t expect Biden to stop the genocide.
I expected him to try.
Today they were kinda proved right, though. After having imposed another deadline on Israel and that deadline having again expired they again won’t stop sending arms to Israel. Even when this is the last fucking chance before Trump is taking over. You can’t just ignore this shit.
Removed by mod
Keep telling yourself that in 6 months when American aircraft are bombing Gaza and the West Bank.
They were filming themselves over “the holy land” not sure why you think they aren’t already doing it.
Removed by mod
Face palm. It’s fucking tragic what is about to escalate for the Palestinians. I hope all the people that blathered on with nonsense about “Genocide Joe” are able to do some self-reflection.
FFS.
Surprising no one they all vanished back into nothing.
Like the “swift boat veterans for truth”
Lmao fuck off with that. We’re still here.
There’s been basically no change in the posting about Palestine since the election, but these people (including this two month old account) have a narrative in their head and won’t let reality intervene.
Two month old account? Get your reddit ass back to that garbage fire, I’ve been on the fediverse since the first reddit wave.
The “narrative” is that Trump is wholly owned by Bibi, as that fucker has helped him every election, and will let him do whatever he wants. Helping that fucker get elected l, as you did by not voting for Harris will only hasten the genocide in Gaza, the West Bank and Lebanon.
And no, there hasnt been the posts about protesting Trump’s worryingly close relationship to Bibi to anywhere near the degree that you were all so “worried” about Harris.
I think there’s another narrative that just assumes Trump will be significantly different from what Kamala would have been.
What can Trump do that Biden/Kamala haven’t already? Much is being made about Trump sitting by while Netanyahu annexes large chunks of the West Bank. But that’s already been happening.
There has been much made about Trump potentially allowing Israel to annex parts of Gaza. But Biden has sat back and let Israel completely ethnically cleanse northern Gaza. If Biden/Trump didn’t lift a finger to stop an ethnic cleansing, what makes you think they would do anything when Israel files some paperwork to formally annex land? Hundreds of thousands of people area dead. I’m sorry, but compared to that, a little paperwork to formally take territory is a minor crime indeed.
War with Iran? Israel doesn’t want a war with Iran. They’ve been playing a careful tit-for-tat game with Tehran, trying to save face while avoiding an all-out war. And there’s little evidence Trump would get the US involved if a full war did start.
I mean really, what exactly do you expect Trump to do that Biden/Harris already haven’t? They’ve given Israel a complete blank check. I think we tend to just assume because he’s overtly racist against Muslims that he is going to be worse for the Palestinians. Yes, Biden and Harris aren’t overtly racist against the Muslims. But in terms of their actual actions, I can’t think of anything Trump can do that they already haven’t.
You have no understanding of soft power or geopolitics. Trump just being elected (not even in charge yet) has already emboldened Netanyahu and his cronies. They are already talking about annexing the West Bank.
See, this is how you are going to try to innoculate yourself from any kind of guilt here, and I will not allow it.
You don’t get to just pretend that “well, we can never really know if Kamala would have been different” while Palestinians are eradicated from the face of the planet you fucking clown.
People think that Israel ethnic cleansing of 2 million people in a few months is worse than ethnic cleansing them over 4 years!
If Biden set any form of red line, or at least Blinken wasn’t bluntly lying everytime he goes there or the US didn’t Veto UN resolutions to “allow aid” maybe we can argue the dem would be better but as stand nothing will change.
People think that Israel ethnic cleansing of 2 million people in a few months is worse than ethnic cleansing them over 4 years!
First of all, it will be far more than 2 million people.
But also, yes! Fucking yes, of course it is worse! What?!? Are you fucking joking??
Holy shit people are delusional. You don’t get to just say “well, we can’t know if a Democrat would be different,” and absolve yourself from your responsibility in this. When will be the point where you realize (yet I’m sure continue to refuse to admit in an attempt to preserve your own sanity perhaps)? Will it be when they annex the West Bank (like immediately after 1/20, they’re already talking about it)? Will it be when the slaughtering of Palestinians gets kicked into high gear, and the real elimination begins?
You will live with the results of your actions (or inaction). There will be a point, and it won’t take long, where nobody who is honest with themselves will be able to claim that we can’t know if Kamala would be better or worse.
I don’t think Biden and Harris are the same person. I think she was cowardly but I also think she wants to be hip and loved and could have been shamed with sustained pressure. Not a sure thing, and likely to be weak sauce, but a possibility. I don’t see that as likely with either Biden or Trump. And the possibility of stopping something as big as genocide and permanent land grabs is much better than no chance at all.
But I also don’t blame Arabs for voting (or not voting) emotionally for the actions of Biden and the inaction of Harris now. Don’t kill someone’s family and then ask them to think of the bigger picture.
One sure thing about that shitstain Trump is that he is bribable. He will pivot on a pinhead if it would enrich him more.
Narrator: They aren’t.
Seeing as biden gave billions in support of israel while they carried out this genocide for over a year, the moniker is well-earned. Hopefully you do some self-reflection to realize that both parties full-throatedly support israel. The other guy being worse is not an excuse to support genocide. Democrats will keep talking about how much worse republicans are while moving to the right in pace with them.
I, for one, am shocked. Shocked I tell you.
Who could have guessed Trump would appoint somebody who doesn’t recognize the victims of genocide as real people? It’s not like Trump called pro-Palestinians protestor “pro-Hamas thugs” and “jihad sympathizers” or said “I will give Israel the support that it needs to win but I do want them to win fast” or called attempts by Biden to negotiate a cease fire an attempt to “tie Israel’s hand behind its back”.
How could anybody have known? By looking at how he handled conflicts in the area during his first administration? What are we? A nation of nerds that try to make educated decisions about our political leaders?
/s
What real difference does this make though? I honestly don’t see what actually is going to change in Gaza. Yes, Biden isn’t overtly racist against Palestinians, but he doesn’t consider them human beings either. He’s given Israel a complete blank check to do whatever they want. And I expect that to continue unchanged under Trump. As a practical matter, I really don’t see what Trump can do that Biden already hasn’t. Trump will just be a lot ruder about it.
It least he is not going to lie about his intentions.
Seems like you are poorly read and have a bad imagination.
Luckily for you, I don’t think it will take long for you to witness first hand what Trump can, and will, do that Biden or Harris would never.
You mean like Mormons?
The whole world is about to take an L because of us
That should make things better for the Palestinians.
Americans voted for this, especially if they blew off voting.
Americans voted for this unless they didn’t vote or votes third party.
…or voted for Harris.
Nope, a vote for Harris is a vote for the complete destruction of the Palestinian people. Harris was very clear in her campaign, it was one of the only thing she was consistent about.
As long as you ignore all the times she called for a ceasefire, sure.
Just like Spider-Man was just a guy, if you ignore all the super powers.
A temporary ceasefire isn’t a ceasefire, it’s a rearming period for Israel that they will violate first. As much as you people hate to admit it, history did not start on 10/7. Israel has always violated its ceasefires.
More importantly, most importantly, Harris stated repeatedly she would not change from Biden’s policy on Israel, which is unlimited unrestricted arms with no red lines, so by Harris’ own campaign she would have continued armi g Israel after Israel violated whatever ceasefire, if Hamas ever allowed such a predictable set up to happen again.
Israel fucking bombed an embassy in a third party country for fucks sake.
I wonder why your account is like 30 seconds old and singularly focused on this issue. Probably because you’re not evading a ban.
Removed by mod
Wow amazing argument.
Am Canadian.
Canada didn’t exist a few hundred years ago.
Are we made up people too?
Mike lookin a lot older since I last saw him, hope he dies soon 🤲
It’s weird that he’s still even a thing in politics. He’s recently just been running some irrelevant conservatism for kids grift. Why would he even be on the list of people to elevate?
I imagine it is specifically because of what we are discussing in this thread.
I feel like Trump does value loyalty, as we’re seeing with the people he’s elevating in this transition. It seems to be people who never really wavered in their sycophancy toward him, while others were jumping ship or hedging when he lost to Biden.
“See, it’s not genocide, because they aren’t actually people.”
Genuine question: To all the Democrats who chose not to vote for Kamala Harris because of the Palestinian issue, what’s your thought process?
Mike fucking Huckabee… The next four years going to be a remake of American Psycho 2, live on stage.
Sad to see this guy come out of irrelevance. Go back to slinging bogus sleeping pills to suckers
thanks for not voting. that was really smart
