Summary
Russian official Dmitry Medvedev, a close ally of Vladimir Putin, suggested Donald Trump’s election victory may benefit Russia’s interests in Ukraine, citing Trump’s reluctance to fund “idiotic allies” and “voracious international organizations.”
Although Medvedev stopped short of celebrating, he hinted Trump’s aversion to foreign spending could weaken U.S. support for Ukraine.
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky cautiously congratulated Trump, recalling their recent discussion on U.S.-Ukraine cooperation.
Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov maintained a guarded tone, noting the U.S. remains an “unfriendly country” involved in the Ukraine conflict.
The USA just lost the cold war.
I guess the USSR and USA had mutually assured destruction by means other than nuclear
Both sides lost the cold war.
It hasn’t been a cold war in Ukraine.
Mission accomplished.
The only person you should blame is Harris and her party. She made the same mistake Clinton did by trying to be as conservative as possible, so nobody on the left voted for her.
Nobody on the left votes for her so the far right wins again. Real galaxy brain move there.
Nobody ever accused voters of being smart. That said, Harris lost a lot of Biden’s 2020 voters, so this is the exact good time to go super critical on her campaign.
And nobody ever accused liberals of even appearing to give a fuck about the working man (literally). The whole Bernie factor was missing, the only Democrat who could actually rally that population – because he cared about their issues – just to be hit with the “Bernie Bro” cudgel. “Wait he appeals to men? Must be a sexist!”
A left that doesn’t care about class isn’t leftist. Worse, they’re not even realising that that’s why people go for other options because while the right doesn’t care about the proletariat either, at least they pretend to. The liberals created Trump.
A lot of good sense here. Democrats have been so focused on race and sex that they lost the whole working class. I don’t think they realize that people don’t think of themselves as demographics. Representation is a thing, but they assume far too much about it: “Let’s run a black woman - we’ll get all the black AND woman votes! And she’s Asian, too!” Meanwhile they are doing little for the working class issues that affect these voters most. Kamala’s program of tax break handouts was a dead giveaway: Democrats think the system is fine - but they’d like to buy your vote this year. People want structural change to the system, not a new line item on their tax return. Trump’s tariffs, ill-advised as they are, show a willingness to make deep structural change to the macroeconomics that have brought us here. While democrats clutch their pearls over a 5% drop to GDP, working class voters are like “we’re already losing big time - let’s roll the dice.”
I’m sick of this denial of voters culpability for their own votes. You are responsible for who you vote for and the outcomes. People voted for this and they are fundamentally responsible. Right now, folks just need to focus on making their local communities robust against the oncoming disasters.
They are responsible for their own votes but if the politicians aren’t able to sell their ideas then the blame is also on them.
I blame Brexit on those that voted leave but I also blame the remain campaign for sleepwalking into the Brexit referendum and not doing enough to counter the leave campaign’s lies.
I’m sick of this denial of politician’s culpability for their policies. That said yes community organising is always a good idea, maybe the American left, doing that, will actually finally figure out why they’re not appealing to people who they should be appealing to. A left that isn’t popular with the lower classes is doing something wrong, and I’m not saying stop giving a fuck about racism etc, I’m saying start giving a fuck about class.
A left that isn’t popular with the lower classes is doing something wrong
There are always lumpen elements that are too bought-in to serving the ruling class to be capable of class consciousness, and the US system has made sure that they have proliferated.
I’m sick of people blaming voters when they live in a State without democracy
Donald Trump won the popular vote in an election with record setting voter turnout. Lack of democracy from the electoral college or voter suppression didn’t do this. People voting for Trump did.
Voter turnout was down many millions
Turnout seems to have been 158,481,688 (62.8%) in 2020 and although not yet tallied for 2024 the estimates are 138,437,782 counted so far. Can we just wait until the counts are done before making statements?
This is the most damning rebuke of Democrats and their leaders. Trump’s tactics worked.
Turnout is down by at least 10 million from 2020.
It doesn’t matter if the voters are to blame. If they don’t vote for you, you haven’t reached them. Complaining about that won’t make them vote for you.
This being said everyone who is a citizen of a society has some responsibility for that society. So of course the voters have responsibility.
Heh, I’m sure all the gazans, Ukrainians and Taiwanese are glad to hear the American left stood for their principles.
I really wonder how much direct financial support Russia sends our ‘left’.
That ‘left’ gets a hell lot of financial support, if not outright some method to organize brigading campaigns.
I guess the silver lining is that we won’t spend the next few months worried about violent retaliation and a second insurrection. But we’ll have to live through the bickering and multiple finger pointings among non_MAGA people on whose fault it was. Then January 20th will come and we’ll be too busy worrying about our well being to continue the blaming.
It really does parallel Brexit in a way. People are so similar.
First and foremost, I blame the racist shits who voted for Trump.
I agree it was the Democrats and the Democrats alone that are responsible for the next 4 years.
Now come take a look at this bridge, I need to shift it quickly so I’ll let you have a bargain price.
The only good part about this message is the 145 downvotes lol
Would you rather she miss out on the bigger share of the center?
Face it, political views are a Bell Curve.
Supporting a genocide and climate destruction isn’t center . its right of center.
You’re right. Sad to see the down votes.
Kamala Harris was up 10 points in ratings above Trump after Biden dropped out. Every step of the way, Kamala dropped the ball and fumbled her lead with her eye on winning over conservatives.
This country is moving more and more right, and it’s not the American people’s fault. Democrats have stagnated ever since Obama ran on hope and change, but forgot all of that shit once in the White House.
Don’t let people gaslight you here. Democrats are the ones to blame.
Nah I think she made the same mistake as Clinton by having a vagina.
RIP Ukraine, Palestine, and Taiwan. It was nice knowing you.
I hope any Jill Stein voters are happy
The Jill Stein votes wouldnt even make a dent in the staggering votes for the Republicans…
Yup, Democrats only win elections when they show up to vote. And Democrats did not show up this year.
Where are the other 20million voters that didn’t show?
At home. Too lazy to do anything.
I was playing Catan online yesterday as the results were coming out, I asked the chat if anyone was from the US. Out of 4 players, 2 where from the us and one didn’t bother to go vote. I was shocked. He didn’t even have a good excuse.
That should tell you everything you need to know.
Trump didn’t win…It’s the people that failed to show up.
They backed mail trucks up to rivers and dumped ballots from democratic districts. Track your vote and make sure it was received, this election had all the makings of a high turnout event and yet somehow millions of votes vanished.
Edit: stop the steal
would love if this turned out to be true, but do you have any source?
Why would someone dump them in rivers? To make sure the evidence was found?
whoosh
America has abandoned Ukraine and NATO.
Time for Europe to step up.
Europe has already been pulling their weight in Ukraine. Now they’ll also have to pick up the slack that they US is about to create.
All those lemmy.ml people did their jobs bashing Harris to get trump elected.
Lemmy and the Fediverse as a whole is a microcosm that doesn’t make much of a difference one way or the other. We can stab at the tankies all we like, but it wasn’t their influence in the Fediverse that caused the result, even if they did manage to hoodwink a few into voting for fake tan man.
It wasn’t their influence alone, of course not.
They were just part of the bigger propaganda machine that infiltrated so many social media sites.
Taking a broader perspective, social media and those who manipulate it played a huge role in Trump’s win. And Lemmy’s part of that, like it or not.
They have accounts on all major services.
Because this influence campaign only took place on Lemmy /s
Oh please, 20 million voters that didn’t vote wasn’t affected by the rantings of a few people on Lemmy or Reddit.
That would almost be funny again. So why didn’t you vote?
I was gonna, but then some people on a forum didn’t like her.
You deserve him if THAT is what it takes.
That’s all it takes. Manipulation in your doom scroll
Nah I think it was Elon “Goebbels 2” Musk more than them. They didn’t help but he should get all the credit.
Him and Joe Rogan
Lol y’all will never learn. This is the whole Bernie Bros cost Clinton the election. Why don’t you take a look at the real reasons she never was going to win.
Because American men won’t elect a woman
Slrpnk with Notvoting did their fair share, seeing how low the turnout was.
lol, keep the tears coming 😊😊😊
Oh hey it’s a cunt.
How does it feel to have zero empathy and getting off of the pain of others? You sound exactly like those who celebrate genocides.
Thanks for the confirmation
Everyone should know about The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia
That plan from 1997 is literally being implemented before our eyes. And now that trump is in again it will accelerate much faster than it has been (with Brexit, Ukraine, trump, partnering w/ Iran, far right in Germany)
Realistic headline: Russia finally wins Cold War by installing orange shithead for second time
Of course, now that Putins biggest asset is back in place. Remember when Russia took out American agents in Russia, shortly after Trump requested a list of those people from the agencies, which was shortly after a talk with Putin that went without any witnesses?
Yeah, they’re gloating now. But who knows, maybe Trump will backstab Putin like he backstabs everyone else. Though it’s unlikely, since he seems to cower whenever he’s near his Daddy Vladdy.
Trump also probably still holds a grudge against Ukraine for not manufacturing/finding dirt on Biden during the last election, or whatever the particulars were.
To be fair they’re saying this not because it’s actually useful (which it might be) but because them saying this stirrs shit up and makes people more upset. They’re playing on the feeling that is already there, and the best thing to do is to dismiss their comment as a play to make us upset with eachother and watch what they do instead. They want us to burn bridges. That’s what’s useful to them.
Few weeks ago it was Biden that Russia preferred.
I don’t understand why people give a fuck about what they have to say.
People give a fuck because they’re (with reason) emotionally invested in the politics of their lives, and which politicians are elected directly effects their lives. That one’s not too hard to grasp.
But while that will always be the case, people need to realize that Russian propaganda is inherently opportunistic and it has a goal of pushing us further apart from one another. There are real issues that lead to these sorts of political outcomes.
It’s not because of Russia, but the russian state is incredibly efficient at grabbing those issues and amplifying them to the point where we stop trusting our neighbors and families, thus breaking the democratic wheel.
Knowing that is part of the solution but realizing that there are actual issues that make people vote for political figures like Trump and listening to those voters without making assumptions about their morals is even more important.
edit to add: the republicans are part of America. Their voters are part of America. Just as democrats are. Trump is part of it, so is Jill Stein. Own it, learn from it, don’t repeat it. Try to understand why it happened. This is true for every country, but with different characters, other movements.
Obviously. Trump is a Russian asset, always has been.
Goodbye support to Ukraine, hello to American boots on the ground in Russia
See? Russia doesn’t lie all the time.
They aren’t wrong to say this.
just wait til he gets in the seat. yall aint seen nothin yet
