• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    2 months ago

    She did stop short of promises simple majorities would translate to getting the votes to do it, and I’m glad they’re being more realistic this time.

    But she needs to actually use the bully pulpit if we have the majority but the votes still aren’t there.

    If there’s some Dems who don’t support this, then they need to be named and shamed so they either fold to peer pressure or their voters know they need replaced in the next primary.

    We can’t keep hiding who these Dems are by avoiding the vote. Make them go on record for not supporting the party platform

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      2 months ago

      The old blue dog dems that held up the ACA until it was neutered and who opposed other progress when they were rhe deciding vote had no issue with the publicity. There werre recent discussions about getting rid of the filibuster and Dems were openly opposed to it.

      So feel free to name and shame, they don’t care.

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        2 months ago

        You say that, but Sanders went to WV and talked to Manchins voters, and got him to support the party platform more than once.

        You don’t just use the bully pulpit from the White House to address the whole nation.

        You pick it up and go to the voters and tell them the person they voted for isn’t just holding them back. They’re holding the whole country back.

        That works. And it works a lot better when it’s the president doing it than a random senator from another state.

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          2 months ago

          Yes, pressure is great. I was just poiting out that nobody is hiding when it comes to the filibuster.

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            2 months ago

            In those examples Manchin wasn’t “hiding” before that either.

            But going to his state and talking directly to his voters still got him to change position and support the party.

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            2 months ago

            I think I agree with you, but this is phrased a bit weird across your comments. Normally there are chosen “detractors”, a-la Manchin/Sinema. It’s their job to kill this stuff and constantly be the scapegoat, and they get special deals as a reward.

            However, if the chosen ones can’t or won’t fulfill this role, there are always corpo establishment dems ready to step in and kill meaningful legislation (ie, your blue dog Dems comment above.) They don’t openly advocate for doing this though, and do prefer to hide behind the scapegoats instead.

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        2 months ago

        It’s more than name and shame that is required. Just doing that will enable the media to dull the impact and sweep it under the rug at the next 24 hour news cycle, nobody will hardly know.

        What is needed for these corrupt politicians to come around is to go to their home districts and campaign loudly against them, and in favor of legislation which will help the voting working class. This will force them to play nice, or cost them their seats if done correctly.