A Florida sheriff’s novel approach to countering school shooting threats by exposing online the identities of children who make them is drawing ire from juvenile justice advocates as well as others who say the tactic is counterproductive and morally wrong.

Michael Chitwood, sheriff of Volusia county, raised eyebrows recently by posting to his Facebook page the name and mugshot of an 11-year-old boy accused of calling in a threat to a local middle school. He followed up with a video clip of the minor’s “perp walk” into jail in shackles.

Chitwood, who has said he is “fed up” with the disruption to schools caused by the hoaxes, has promised to publicly identify any student who makes such a threat. On Wednesday, another video appeared onlineshowing two youths, aged 16 and 17, in handcuffs being led into separate cells, with the sheriff calling them “knuckleheads”.

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    “He doesn’t need to parade this kid, this 11-year-old child, in front of a camera to achieve his purpose. Just do traditional things – arresting, charging – that don’t add this layer of shaming, embarrassing, humiliating and traumatizing.”

    And whats your solution? This isn’t like… throwing a rock through a window or graffiti tagging a wall. Consequences need to be swift, decisive, and ensure no one gets any ideas to copycat them.

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      What about the kids who are wrongfully accused, since all that’s required here is someone reporting that you made a threat? Seems like a new avenue for bullies to exploit.

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        They can enjoy possibly multiple large piles of money off lawsuits. Unlikely in the case noted in the article though-

        In the video, which had more than 270,000 views on Facebook as of Monday afternoon, the camera pans across a conference table covered in airsoft guns, pistols, fake ammunition, knives and swords that law enforcement officers claim the boy was “showing off” to other students.

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          As if filing and winning a lawsuit is that easy or obtainable, not to mention this is after the damage is done and some innocent kid is completely ostracized from the community.

          The kid was showing this stuff off so that means they were going to shoot a school up? This could easily describe some weeb who was trying to look cool and then had kids call him a school shooter. In my K-12 days 20+ years ago, the weird kids were constantly joked about as being potential school shooters. It only takes one person misinterpreting/hearing these jokes to ruin someone’s life.

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            As if lawyers won’t line up for the payday? C’mon now.

            Also, in the current day and age, kids aren’t randomly showing off their weapon collections that include knives and swords, because, obviously, the whole school shooter thing exists.

            Lastly, what solution do you think is viable? I don’t think a situation like this

            [Chitwood’s] department dealt with 54 threats in a 12-hour period following the killings of two students and two teachers at Apalachee high school.

            Is tenable. Do you?

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              the whole school shooter thing exists.

              “Only country with multiple daily mass shootings and more rights for guns than for children wonders how it can solve its violence problem”

              The rest of the g7 checking in here, with numbers so low as to be non-existent, despite some of us living 100mi from a border to the most casually-violent nation on the planet.

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              Maybe lawyers would line up to bring a suit but you’re still looking at a multi year case and potentially having to move to a new city and switch schools in the meantime. What does parading children in front of cameras solve when these kids are still considered innocent in the eyes of the law? Do you think someone legitimately planning an attack is going to be swayed by the possibility of being on TV or having their picture posted online and not the prison/death sentence that comes with an actual attack?

              A viable solution is to pass laws that make it so guns aren’t so plentiful and easy to obtain along with making it easier and cheaper to obtain mental healthcare, but that’ll never happen. Everything else will just be a poorly thought-out bandaid that doesn’t solve the root of the issue.

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                  So because the proper solution is unlikely to happen, that makes any other ham-fisted approach a good idea? That’s not really how things work.

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                    If a nonviable and a viable solution are presented, yes that is how things work. You yourself admitted the solution you presented wouldn’t work. May as well have suggested portable force fields. At least that sounds cool.

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      Maybe keeping the kids privacy will:

      • deprive a potential shooter of their publicity
      • let an innocent accused resume their lives
      • allow someone in a crisis more opportunity to get treatment/recover without making it worse

      What does this humiliation do?

      • let the sheriff enact spiteful revenge against someone not convicted
      • ruin the life of an accused innocent
      • force someone in a crisis into a more desperate state
      • help a perpetrator achieve notoriety
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        deprive a potential shooter of their publicity

        Remove a potential shooter from the field you mean?

        let an innocent accused resume their lives

        Or let potential shooters know they aren’t being ignored until they start blasting.

        allow someone in a crisis more opportunity to get treatment/recover without making it worse

        Jail can also provide treatment, without the possibility of them snapping and murdering people. Seems reasonable to me.

        let the sheriff enact spiteful revenge against someone not convicted

        Identifying threats to society is “spiteful revenge” Do you think we should have referred to him as O.B.L. instead of Osama Bin Laden because he wasn’t convicted yet to keep his anonymity? That it was “spiteful revenge” to let folks know who he was? Cmon now.

        ruin the life of an accused innocent

        or stop a copycat killer.

        force someone in a crisis into a more desperate state

        who will be locked up and thus unable to act on those urges.

        help a perpetrator achieve notoriety

        Least sensible of the lot. They’ll be notorious for making threats and going to jail. Much preferrable to murder and jail.

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          This is a kid who’s been accused. There’s been no trial, no evidence, no conviction. He’s not been proven guilty of anything.

          It’s a kid. Everywhere else kids have privacy by default. Publicizing the name of this kid is not justice nor any part of justice.

          Even if he did it, we have no idea whether it was serious - calling a kid such a criminal before he’s convicted dies nothing prevent any crime

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            Even if he did it, we have no idea whether it was serious

            So we shouldn’t take threats of shootings or bomb threats seriously now?

            Wow. Just… wow.

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              You’re losing the plot here. The question is whether it’s ok to publicly post the identities of kids accused of a specific crime

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                    The title of this thread isn’t

                    Even if he did it, we have no idea whether it was serious

                    Thats a point you made, and are now refusing to address. Twice now.

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      Have to say I agree. This seems like a good deterrent. Not sure of the legality of it, but then “legality” is open to interpretation lately in the US.