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    3 months ago

    Go back to beehaw lmao. Even democracies struggle to vote for people actually working towards a greener future. Surely this time a revolution will bring a solution

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        3 months ago

        I’m not speaking about the U.S. with its screwed electoral college and first-past the post system. I’m speaking out of the perspective of a German where we have a strong representative democracy with rampant populist parties having major influence in politics due to the amount of people that vote for them.

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          rampant populism is a symptom of capitalists controlling the process through money. my country is exactly the same through us influence.

          of course different countries different circunstances, but changing around the players of the game barely changes anything if we don’t strive to change the game.

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            Populism is existent in every democracy. It does not solely stem from capitalism. People like hearing simple answers to complex problems which doesn’t work.

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              far right populism, which is the one we are contending with in the world right now, is a capitalism thing.

              who else would finance an agenda that almost exclusively benefits big capital?

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                Not only do capitalists promote right wing populism (because as you say, it doesn’t challenge capital), they similarly squash left wing populism.

                Look how many progressives were primaried out recently in the US because of their anti-genocide stance and other leftist values.

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                Far right nationalism doesn’t benefit capitalism the way you think it does. Do you have any evidence to go off of that big corpos are actually pushing far right agenda. In germany in Saxony for example the medium sized companies are running ad campaigns against far right extremism since we rely on immigration and skilled labor from abroad since we don’t have enough people to fill all the jobs ourselves. No immigration would literally hurt the economy. I don’t know what you’re on about.

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      “even democracies” as if China isn’t pretty much kicking every western democracy’s ass at going green right now…

      I don’t support China’s authoritarian state but being in a liberal democracy is exactly why we’re having a hard time, corporations buy and sell political will in a liberal democracy.

      End capitalism

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          China’s per capita carbon output is lower than the US and Canada and their solar and battery technology is looking like the best in the world right now. It’s part of why the US is taking protectionist measures against Chinese green technologies.

          This while still being a manufacturing economy for the most part, i.e. making things for the rest of the world to consume. It’s easier to go green in a service economy.

          It’s not controversial to say China is doing a lot more and moving faster towards their environmental goals. We have people all over the world studying and writing about this.

          Where’s your info from? Gut?