Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid!

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutā€™nā€™paste it into its own post ā€” thereā€™s no quota for posting and the bar really isnā€™t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many ā€œesotericā€ right wing freaks, but thereā€™s no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iā€™m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged ā€œculture criticsā€ who write about everything but understand nothing. Iā€™m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyā€™re inescapable at this point, yet I donā€™t see them mocked (as much as they should be)
Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnā€™t be surgeons because they didnā€™t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canā€™t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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      You laugh, but people in incel circles are heralding the nascent arrival of better than real AI girlfriends.

      Now I am laughing harder.

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        The incels have also been crying about how the upcoming robot sexbots/ai will end women forever for a decade now so it isnā€™t anything new. (They prob are shouting about it more, but they have been obsessed by this idea already in the past).

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          All I can say is bring it on. These guys seem to assume women will be furious about being replaced in this hypothetical scenario. I imagine most women would be relieved to have more free time and greater opportunities. Losing your role is only scary if you have benefited from your social position.

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            They prob (at least that was the mindset I got last time I read up on who they seem to think, doubt much has changed) women are useless and massively protected by society and as soon as that stops (because of robots) they will all starve or be enslaved or worse. It isnā€™t a rational group of people (even if they claim to be).

            And just did a quick check, and they donā€™t seem to mention AI shit at all. Guess even the incels can see through the (fin)techbro bs. Lot of sexism, racism and antisemitism though.

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      I seen someone on LinkedIn yesterday talking about how youā€™ll be able to ā€œchat with your databaseā€

      Like, what if i donā€™t want to be friends with a database? What next ? a few beers with my fridge? Skinny dipping with my toaster?

      Both options would be horrible, of course, but theyā€™d both be better than spending another five fucking minutes on LinkedIn.

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        I am so happy that we know with 100% certainty that Jack Dorsey saw this image and wasnā€™t mad. He was laughing, actually.

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      You know, I have no direct information as to what kind of background those people mightā€™ve had for their trips, but 1337% it was wrong (or this person is just full of it). Set and setting. Always. And dear god if I came out of a trip with that? What a fucking abysmal prospect

      And yet holy fuck thatā€™s quite possibly a strong driver in all this insanity isnā€™t it?

      You could guess my internal state right now, and youā€™d need zero psychedelics to do it

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        itā€™s a fucking tragedy what techbros, fascists, and gurus have done to the perception of what a trip even is. thereā€™s this hilariously toxic idea that a trip must have utility or else youā€™ve wasted your time and material; these people will gatekeep and control how you process what should be a highly personal experience, because that gives them a subtle but powerful amount of influence over what youā€™ll take back from your trip. the Silicon Valley/TESCREAL crowd have even ritualized bad set and setting so much that they donā€™t need a guru personally present in order to have a bad fucking time.

        the damage these fucking fools have done is difficult to quantify, largely because psychedelic research is either banned or firmly in the hands of those very same fucking fools. itā€™s very important to them that you donā€™t use your temporarily jailbroken neocortex for your own purposes; that you never imagine a world where they donā€™t matter.

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          yep. a couple of years ago I read We Will Call It Pala and it hit pretty fucking on the nose

          a couple years later, with all the dipshittery iā€™ve seen the clowns give airtime, and Iā€™m kinda afraid? reticent? to read it again

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            never read this one before. neat story, even if it is not much more than The Lorax, but psychedelic-flavored.

            unprompted personal review (spoilers)

            it makes sense that the point-of-view character is insulated / isolated from the harm theyā€™re doing. my main gripe is that in doing so, the actual problems of the hypothetical psychedelic healthcare industry (manufactured addiction, orientalism and psychedelic colonization, inequality of access, in addition to all of the vile stuff the real healthcare industry already does) wind up left barely stated or only implied. i was waiting for the other shoe to drop; for Learie to, say, receive a letter from a family member of a patient who died on the bed due to being unattended to, a result of stretching too few staff too thin over too many patients, et cetera. something that would pop the bubble that she built around herself and tie the themes of the story together.

            instead it feels like she built the bubble and stays in the bubble. sheā€™s sad her cool business idea outgrew her, that the fifty million dollars she got as a severance package doesnā€™t fill the hole in her heart she got by helping people directly. which is neat and all, but, like. what about all the uninsured and poor Black people who never got to even try to see if psychedelics could help? what about the Native Americans who watched their spiritual medicine, for which they were (and still are) punished heavily for using, get used to make Learieā€™s millions, for which they will never see a penny? what about your overworked staff, Learie!?

            from a persuasive and political perspective, to me it seems the non-sequitur ending leaves the entire story up for ideological grabs. think it sounds like capitalism is bad? sure, go for it. think the problem is that we need to do capitalism, But Betterā„¢? sure, go for it! hell, thatā€™s basically the authorā€™s own conclusion:

            But what we really need are psychedelic models for business - business that defines new standards for integrity, equity and ethics; business reimagined with a technicolor glow.

            sorry, but a can of glow-in-the-dark paint over the same old exploitative business practices is not a solution. itā€™s just more marketing. where is this even going?

            If you feel called to share a message with the world, consider taking the course to work with David, and gain structure, fellowship with changemakers, and accountability to breathe life into your story.

            a $3,000 value course for only $999! what a steal!! order now, seats are first-come first-serve!

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              yep to a lot of your points (Iā€™ll try reply in more detail tomorrow, majority of brain context atm is going to fucking android bullshit)

              as a bit more context, it was originally published on https://aurynproject.org/, which I think also says something about its origin/background. imo overly-narrow horizons in their optimism is a problem that plagues a lot of psychedelic-treatment evangelists (and I already view the argument favourably!); itā€™s something Iā€™ve often felt irked by but also havenā€™t really been able to engage with in much depth to try form any wide-consumption counterargument too, because headspace and a lot of other stuff too

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                best of luck with android bullshit. iā€™m not familiar with either psychedelics themselves or their evangelists, but yeah, would love to hear thoughts

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                The Auryn project has a sub-project called North Star, founded by a VC partner, and a Bain Capital veteran, among others.

                The whole thing gives me the ick.