• disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world
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    I answered it before you asked it. Trump’s base is loyal to Trump first, and America second. They won’t sway regardless of his convictions, let alone international relations with Israel. Encouraging voter disengagement, abstaining from voting, or voting uncommitted would only fall on the ears of the voters opposing Trump, thereby improving his chances of winning.

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        A non-vote from a voter who otherwise would have voted against Trump is a vote for Trump. This is how this election must be seen with polls this close and civil rights, international war, and climate change on the line. Stop encouraging voter disengagement unless your goal is another Trump presidency.

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              To be honest due to the many holes in their position I am almost assured that is their intent.

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                Maybe, could be a shill who knows.

                Some people do actually believe what they’re saying though, it’s sad how well the propaganda is working.

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                  It really bothers me how they’re so willing to lay every Injustice at one side without considering the other or the other areas of the political apparatus they can effect.

                  But I guess I shouldn’t be so surprised that’s business as usual

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            Encouraging others to not cast a vote for an elector is the literal definition of voter disengagement. You’re not fooling anyone here.

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          civil rights, international war, and climate change on the line.

          Those aren’t “on the line” because they aren’t considerations for either one of these candidates.

          You’re just arguing to perpetuate the very system that brought us to this point. Don’t try to claim “that’s just how it works” either as it only works that way because of people like you ensuring its survival.

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            Trump repealed 112 environmental regulations, sending us back over a decade, that Biden has been working hard to replace.

            Trump left the Paris Accord, which Biden has signed agreement to.

            Trump repealed the Obama-era rights for gender-affirming care that Biden just replaced.

            Trump repealed net neutrality, which Biden just reinstated.

            Trump stated that Russia should be allowed to attack anyone that doesn’t pay enough to NATO, and told Orbán that he intends to pull support from Ukraine.

            So, yeah, they’re on the line.

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              Yet the climate change is still getting worse with no concrete action to turn things around.

              Gender affirming care is now being banned across the country.

              Minorities can no longer receive preferential treatment in hiring or schooling to boost their engagement in areas they’ve historically been excluded from.

              Women no longer have the right to abortions.

              Net neutrality can just be repealed again by the next FCC chairperson.

              Russia continues their invasion of Ukraine in addition to Israel now invading Palestine with the US blocking any NATO resolutions to end the conflicts.

              Again, none of this stuff is “on the line” if you’re going to continue to vote for one of these two right-wing parties unless your goal is to perpetuate the suffering.

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                You are woefully uninformed, and should not be making such incorrect claims. Let me walk you through it.

                You can read about Trump’s “climate policy” here.

                Biden just made it illegal for gender-affirming care to be legislated by states, by replacing the law that Obama created and Trump repealed.

                SCOTUS repealed Affirmative Action and overturned Roe vs. Wade, due to the heavily conservative appointments made by Trump.

                Russia will succeed in their invasion if the US fails to provide support, which is Trump’s position.

                Trump also said the Israel’s biggest problem is recording their atrocities, and they should just finish what they started in Gaza.

                You need to read more, and share uninformed opinions less.

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                  Very little of this even contradicts anything I said, so your “uninformed” comment is way off base.

                  What does Trumps climate policy have to do with Biden’s inaction?

                  Biden just made it illegal for gender-affirming care to be legislated by states

                  You might want to reread that because he did no such thing. It legislates that federally funded healthcare providers can discriminate against someone because of their sexual orientation or gender identity, meaning a trans woman or gay man can’t be turned away from the hospital when they come in with the flu or a broken arm. It does nothing to prevent states from banning gender affirming care same as it doesn’t prevent states from banning abortions.

                  SCOTUS repealed Affirmative Action and overturned Roe vs. Wade, due to the heavily conservative appointments

                  The appointments Republicans were allowed to make because the Democrats rolled over and allowed McConnell to stonewall Obama from making an appointment a year before his term was up before again rolling over and allowing Trump to make an appointment a month before his term was up?

                  Russia will succeed in their invasion if the US fails to provide support, which is Trump’s position

                  Meanwhile Biden kicked Ukraine funding to congress to be used as a political football where it was lumped in with more funding for Israel and a sale of TikTok to a US company so that the US government can backdoor into it like they do with all the rest of US social media in order to monitor our communications. What a feat!

                  Again, who’s really uninformed here?