“Bought this Tesla before Elon Musk became a huge asshole. Sorry”
wait, Tesla didn’t exist back then
Before he revealed himself to be one
nah, always been one, like I said to what looks like a deleted reply:
If the sticker said “I bought this before Tesla was taken over by a huge asshole”, my response would be different.
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Apparently it goes back a while, I didn’t do anything like this when I was a kid
https://x.com/mikedrucker/status/1691602750415536516
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Damn, even his own dad wouldn’t defend him on that one, moved him to a different school instead:
“He also recalled a time when Elon made a hurtful comment to a schoolmate about his father’s suicide.
The boy pushed Elon down a staircase at school, injuring him so badly he had to be hospitalized.
When he heard what happened, Errol wanted to defend his son.
“But I realised Elon overstepped the mark with this little boy. I had to drop it,” he said.
After that incident, Errol moved Elon to the prestigious Pretoria Boys High School.”
The roadster was released after that happened.
I guess there might be a handful of prototypes around?
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If the sticker said “I bought this before Tesla was taken over by a huge asshole”, my response would be different.
If the goalpost is at “don’t buy stuff if the CEO is an asshole”, we’re all in trouble.
Pretty sure we ARE in very deep trouble, have you noticed?
Electric cars are still cars, and therefore do fuck-all to fix the real problem of excessive use of land for parking lots, low-density zoning, and lack of walkability.
The only way to have communities that are healthy and sustainable (ecologically, financially, or otherwise) is to fix the zoning code so that folks don’t need to drive in the first place.
Or just reduce the need to drive, for example by encouraging remote work.
Oh man when almost everything was remote my commute was so nice. 12 miles in 15 - 17 minutes instead of almost double that everyday.
Unfortunately I operate a forklift so I have to be there in person but damn was it super nice.
Currently I’m trying to encourage and raise support for more bike infrastructure locally so it’s an actually viable option intead of it’s currently not so viable state.
Convert all the empty offices to apartments. Solves housing supply problems, makes a lot of dense units instead of sprawl, puts them right next to any of the offices that have reopened, and would make the owners of the office buildings happy so they’d hopefully get out of the way of WFH (if they’re doing any lobbying or propaganda or whatnot).
I know it’s too expensive to be worth it, but it’s a perfect thing for governments to give grants for since it has so many benefits.
It’s happening a bit in Canada.
Projects are undervway in Calgary and Halifax; others are being planned or debated in Toronto, London, Ont., and Yellowknife.
From here
one issue is that offices tend to have 1 bathroom per floor, and the internal plumbing to match, and apartments need roughly a bathroom every 4 rooms. That really matters when you have 15 floors and you’re adding inlet and outlets filled with water, it drastically affects the weight and design of the building.
it might be easier, cheaper and safer to demolish and rebuild rather than convert.
Multiple such projects are underway in my Midwestern US city.
That’s a great idea, I hope other communities follow.
That doesn’t fix any of the problems mentioned.
You can have healthy and sustainable communities without high density housing or any of the comforts of urban living. In fact, humans have lived in low density rural communities for thousands of years.
No. Humans have lived in walkable villages and towns built at missing middle densities (hundreds to a few thousand people and markets all within walking distance linked by long distance travel corridors you walked to or what you are calling ‘urban’) with local services and a handful of people living on the outskirts.
Endless suburban seas of <500 people per km^2 were invented for the automobile. The past you are counterfactually claiming exists did not have half an acre of roads, car parks, 4-car garages, set backs and car yards per resident, nor did it have all the services in a central gigantic box building 20 miles away through a sea of identical houses, nor did your rural people demand those in higher density regions provode them with infrastructure for heating, cooling, water and sewerage. Nor did they demolish all the houses around the market just in case they wanted to leave a cart there.
You have a very US-centric perspective on “sustainability”.
There are plenty of sustainable communities all over the world, today as in the past, that consist of 100s to 1000s of people living in low density housing within reach of a small center.
Some of their garages have two cars, some have only a moped, and some have no vehicles at all.
They are generally rural, not suburban. Not all are near big box stores. Those with big box stores existed before the big box stores arrived, and they would continue to exist if the big box stores left.
Their existence does not necessarily depend on support from higher density regions, especially in parts of the world where higher density regions will ignore their requests anyway.
These are the walkable non-suburban communities being talked about. Why are you trying to use examples of the desired outcome as a counter example (and reason to continue destroying said towns)?
I am responding to the suggestion that only high-density communities are sustainable. That’s simply not true. It is possible for people to live sustainably in either low density or high density communities.
Which in turn implies that the problem with suburbs is not necessarily their density, but other factors.
If you take both the population and area of greater houston without the urban core, there is one hectare of suburban wasteland per person.
One person per hectare isn’t the rural settlement in your imagined past, it’s a single family and a few farm hands living on an unusually large and high-labor productivity farm way out of town.
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Establishing maximums on parking lot sizes to be drastically less than the building’s capacity would help
Maximums aren’t necessarily the problem, since developers are incentivized by market forces not to build more parking than necessary.
The problem is parking minimums, which are based on numbers pulled out of somebody’s ass 80 years ago and (to the extent they correlated with anything at all) tend to be closer to the maximum that could ever conceivably be needed (think “Black Friday at a shopping center”) more than anything else!
I mean we need lobbiests to switch those mins to maz
We are the lobbyists. For example, my city is currently doing this, so it’s up to people like me to show up at the meetings and demand changes like that. You can do the same in your city or county by talking to your local political rep, even when they aren’t doing a wholesale rewrite like they are here.
I remember when Teslas used to be cool.
Now I see them all the time, and they might as well swap the badge for one that says “cunt”, it would be less embarrassing.
Buy a Tesla because you’re trying to help the environment and it was regarded as the best EV at the time
Tesla starts making their products shittier
Tesla lied about range
Tesla CEO loses his mind, buys a social media company, drives it into the ground
Someone on the internet says you’re a cunt because you own a Tesla
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Tesla drivers were the new BMW douchebags on the road well before he bought Twitter. I got buzzed by in a parking lot the other day by someone doing at least 30, so close it felt like a huge gust of wind. Turned to see a teslas within a foot of me. Jackass drivers in near silent cars in parking lots are a great combo. If the sensors and self driving worked for shit it would of never let them get that close to me.
Man people in here like you legitimately sound crazy. Buying one of the best EVs makes someone a cunt? I hate Elon musk just as much as anyone but he didn’t create Tesla, engineer any of them, or build any of them… Y’all are too negative.
Poor manufacture quality and you have to subscribe to use car features it already has. Good thing you can hack them.
Data point of one, but I bought the cheapest Model 3 model back in 2020, added FSD (was $6k at the time I think) and have had no issue with mine. FSD is not ‘full self driving’, but I’ve been using it continuously since the update a few months ago.
I despise car culture, and it is the least car like car that I could buy. It does most of the driving, it is safer than most, it has no ongoing emissions, and per mile is cheaper than a gas car.
I don’t think Teslas are one of the best, certainly not anymore.
Efficiency, battery price for the cost, power, and charge time/long distance speed are measurably objectively in the top tier (although not uniquely so or not the singular best).
Not worth it for the shoddy construction, abusive customer-exploitative remote control that means you never own it, false advertising, and cultural association (also not uniquely so).
Same, and also, when I was a teenager, I begrudgingly admit that I thought Elon Musk was cool.
Now if I am to get conspiratorial, Rupert Murdoch is trying to groom Musk into being the replacement for the Koch Brothers. Boomers love the Koch Brothers to the point of living vicariously through them, and Musk will be the same for millennials and zoomers to have their “le funny billionaire epic troll.”
I remember a time when the Prius was head turning. It was the first “real” car to be a hybrid. That was interesting.
I would say that the Prius was never cool though.
All those “Nice Prius” bumper stickers were pretty funny though.
The mpg of those things is no joke
I got upgraded to one when I rented a car a few years ago, it was actually really nice. Although I’m someone who is used to driving clunkers (the local AAA tow truck drivers all knew my family, lol) and the engine shutting off at the light always freaked me out.
I saw a nice looking sedan roll past me one evening and when I saw it was a new Prius I knew I was officially getting old.
Extra frustrating because even though Musk is associated wholesale with Tesla, he is not actually a founder.
Yet another example of the rich running shit into the ground with poor decisions.
As much as I think musk is an asshole he did put his money where his mouth is in Tesla which notably almost went bankrupt twice. The reality is that Elon distaste matters orders of magnitude less to buyers than value. I mean people hate Walmart and yet they make a ton of money. Other manufacturers cannot make profitable cars at the price point Tesla is offering. Tesla is going to end up the largest car manufacturer in the world. On Twitter yeah he is running it into the ground arguably on purpose but on Tesla and space x he is doing pretty good. I don’t understand what people taking this angle think the founder would have done better. The founder would have just gone bankrupt with Tesla or sold to someone else.
I would also add that people don’t deal with Elon when buying a Tesla, but they do have to deal with shitty dealers when buying another brand.
Most people are just going to buy the car that is the best value with the least effort.
people don’t deal with Elon when buying a Tesla, but they do have to deal with shitty dealers when buying another brand.
I’m not gonna defend the state of the dealership system, but from what I hear, getting Teslas fixed is awful in unique ways.
Tesla is going to end up the largest car manufacturer in the world.
They’re the largest by stock price, but in EVs/year they were surpassed by a chinese company a couple years ago, and both traditional and new companies are closing the gap Tesla got from all the early capital that was dumped into them. They never came close if you include non-electric cars.
Other manufacturers cannot make profitable cars at the price point Tesla is offering.
There’s tons of electric cars at the price point Tesla offers, with a fraction of the issues. One thing I did notice is other companies limit what they’re willing to import into the US to avoid competing with more expensive models (eg, no company imports cheap electric convertibles or station wagon because they’d compete with higher-end electric cars and SUVs/pickups respectively), but I’m not aware of any market segment that doesn’t have a competitive non-tesla equivalent.
Awhile ago, someone counted the number of local news stories of people getting immolated by their Teslas. It was more per car sold than the Ford Pinto.
Between:
spoiler
Locking the person in when power fails
Wompy Wheels
Steering wheel come off while you are driving
Tesla’s tendency to drive into the back of stopped emergency vehicles or stop on highways due to changing light conditions
The trunk
$500 door handles with 10 dollars worth of electronics that fail due to moisture and ice (this one was improved. They’re still $500 though)
The car lying about its range
Shoddy build quality
A dozen other issues I hear from Tesla owners
The only way I can understand Tesla not being as big of a joke as the Ford Pinto is some combination of outlets that would amplify these stories to become national news also tend to own stock in the largest car company, and Tesla having a team that’s 10x better than Ford’s at shutting down negative publicity.
I mean people hate Walmart and yet they make a ton of money.
The difference to Walmart is that there are alternatives, especially these days, to Tesla. Walmart on the other hand is known to push out smaller retailers in the town they settle into. The option for people can be really slim regardless if you like them or not.
Not to mention you have to consider demographics. Walmart is a value brand. When it edges out the local businesses, they get de-facto monopoly. There’s no where else to go if you can’t shop the higher retailers. Tesla had first-mover advantage with the flashy claims and making an EV not look like a Dustbuster. They ran out the goodwill and runway and they will get eaten alive by the seasoned manufacturers. They will have their segment of the market but you’ll more likely see the same brands convert people from petrol to EV or H2 if white hydrogen is actually a thing.
From what i know tesla was first really profitable from cars (not investors) in 2020 and elon gave himself a bonus with like 50x value from all the profits (my source is the youtuber thunderf00t).
And if i heard it correctly tesla cars are overpriced compared to the competitors and none is on place one when it comes to the stats.But to simply buy a tesla is as easy as simply buying the most advertised bs like nestle products.
And to the spaceX thing: they get their money mostly from having launch platforms and overpricing it there, the malket there only could be dominated because of investor money. (no source)
The satelite internet drains more money (with US GOV tax funds, no source) than it generates value outside of specific use cases. (partially thunderf00t)Another thing (i dont know if it is true) that tesla and spacex are doing better since elon is occupied with twitter
But ultimately, according to the survey, most Tesla owners plan to buy a Tesla again.
Lol
I’ve seen a lot of that, including tweets from bazingas that show wacky shit like car doors falling off but then say “STILL LOVE THE CAR THOUGH!”
Yyyyyyyup. I was hoping to get away from reddit’s hivemind of “Teslas are shit cars” but with Musk at the helm I don’t think that’s possible. Are they perfect? No. Are they awesome? IMO, yes.
Tesla’s are shit cars though, and it has nothing to do with Musk. They have little to no driver feedback. The UX of their driver control systems are unresponsive and require the driver to take their eyes from the road. The idea of self-driving cars is a pipe dream that solves zero problems and simply aggravates existing individual transport problems.
Counterpoints:
- Cosmetic build quality issues aside, they require practically zero maintenance (tires and windshield fluid) and there are less moving parts to break. So far they’ve proven to be very reliable.
- Driver feedback is subjective and I find your claim straight-up obtuse in meaning. I quite enjoy windy roads and the smoothness of the EV drivetrain.
- The UX of my Tesla is practically-perfectly responsive and most of what you want to do has either physical or voice controls.
- Autopilot is good bordering great but still needs work. FSD is indeed a pipe dream with the current fleet.
- It’s fast as fuck.
Toyotas require virtually zero maintenance as well. The difference is that when you do need maintenance, it doesn’t cost a kidney and you can find a shop anywhere with the parts and expertise, or do it yourself at home
it’s fast as fuck
How is this a good thing? 40,000 deaths in America due to cars. Every year.
UX is perfect
Lol. Everything is in the center of the car instead of right in front of me
Lol seriously? My passengers find the manual release by accident the first time they go to get out. It’s exactly where you would expect it to be.
“Extra! Extra! Some people are idiots!”
Keep trying, bud.
Keep trying, bud.
What are you even doing on the FuckCars section of this site anyway? Do you want to be congratulated for your sunk-cost fallacy
“Extra! Extra! Some people are idiots!”
Some people say smug things like that, but then spend a lot of money on bad purchases and need to tell internet strangers that those bad purchases must be good purchases and any evidence to the contrary is from a bad source because it isn’t a Tesla circlejerk in your favor.
Cosmetic build quality issues aside, they require practically zero maintenance (tires and windshield fluid) and there are less moving parts to break. So far they’ve proven to be very reliable.
This applies to all electric cars, this isn’t exclusive to Tesla. And other electric cars don’t have panel gaps.
Driver feedback is subjective and I find your claim straight-up obtuse in meaning. I quite enjoy windy roads and the smoothness of the EV drivetrain.
The Tesla drives like an appliance, particularly in comparison to what are often considered “driver’s cars”. Nothing wrong with it, but don’t expect car enthusiasts to like it.
The UX of my Tesla is practically-perfectly responsive and most of what you want to do has either physical or voice controls.
most
voice controls
Physical buttons are superior, and have been for decades. Voice controls and touchscreens are decisions made on a budget basis, not a UX basis, because they are objectively worse. It’s corner-cutting, not improvement.
Autopilot is good bordering great but still needs work. FSD is indeed a pipe dream with the current fleet.
Are you calling Musk a liar?!? FSD has been coming “next year” for like six years now!!!
Are you calling Musk a liar?!?
Literally yes.
Dang you managed to be right on one thing, congrats
It’s fast as fuck.
Translates as: “I drive like an absolute cunt.”
Translates as: “I drive like an absolute cunt.”
Translates as: “I actually have no idea how this person drives.”
Did they fix the fact you can’t open the door from the inside if the power is out without an instruction manual and fingernails?
love too have my self driving software turn off seconds before my car slams into a semi truck going 100mph, so I can be blamed posthumously for not having enough personal responsibility
The fuck are you talking about? There is a regular-sized door handle right there.
Only the front doors have a manual release. So what will your child in the back seat do in the situation of a crash, and the battery is compromised causing a loss of power and threat of combustion?
https://www.tesla.com/ownersmanual/model3/en_au/GUID-7A32EC01-A17E-42CC-A15B-2E0A39FD07AB.html
Oh wow, I did not notice that. Now THAT is a problem.
Wait aren’t you the one who actually owns one of these lithium sand buckets?
Believe it or not I don’t spend much time in the back seat.
I think it’s a cool feature tbh
Love your username.
reddit’s hivemind of “Teslas are shit cars”
Has
really changed that much since a year ago? It was a massive endless circlejerk for the Church of E-L-O-N back then, up to and including “ironic” pictures of their lord and savior presented as a saint in antiquity-style paintings.Are they awesome? IMO, yes.
https://carbuzz.com/news/tesla-admits-model-3-has-a-design-flaw
r/cars and other car “enthusiast” subs have been pretty anti-Tesla for quite some time, because Teslas aren’t really anything approaching a “driver’s car”. They go fast in a straight line but have terrible feedback and handling.
r/cars and other car “enthusiast” subs have been pretty anti-Tesla for quite some time
That must be the so-called circlejerk that the Tesla consoomer disapproves of because it isn’t the logical rational Tesla circlejerk that was otherwise hoped for.
They are extremely mad that car people don’t like Teslas, and they post angrily about it on Reddit every hour of every day. Fortunately, Tesla people aren’t “car people” so there’s really no real life friction other than Tesla dorks probably showing up to cars and coffee all over the nation and feeling personally offended when nobody gives half a shit about their commuter coffin.
When you think a meme absolves you from being a credulous and gullible consumer in denial about sunk-cost fallacy.
https://news.yahoo.com/tesla-makes-least-reliable-cars-133500819.html
If you actually knew what you were talking about you’d know the consumer reports report referenced in the article weighs cosmetic issues as heavily as mechanical ones. It’s been talked about to death since it came out a while ago but yeah, nice yahoo link, bro.
Any source that makes you feel a hint of buyer’s remorse is a bad source.
I really feel sorry for the level of sunk-cost fallacy you’ve sunken to, all so your bazingamobile doesn’t seem like a bad choice.
Imagine thinking there’s wiggle room for a ton of major cosmetic problems on a product that costs a full year of an average worker’s income.
A ton?
Awesome? I can’t even find the odometer without going through 50 different menus. And the brain genius wants to implement a yoke instead of a steering wheel. Dumbasses spending money on the dumbest products
I want a pirate ship wheel.
What a silly thing to complain about. TWO touches to get total mileage. Boo-fucking-hoo.
Yoke is optional becaaaaaaaauuuuuuuuuuuuse people didn’t want it. They listened to their customers. Wow, what a terrible move.
Real c/fuck_cars take there.
Yes, I do cry over bad car design choices.
I’m sorry, there’s no positive here on the yoke thing. Literally anybody who isn’t a 14 year old who has never driven a car before should understand a yoke is a shitty, stupid thing to replace a wheel with. That mistake didn’t require putting the shit on the market and then going “oh wow I guess this much worse thing isn’t better after all, huh”. Like, seriously, the dumbest motherfuckers must have been involved in that decision from start to finish.
I guess we’ll just ignore the tons of positive feedback regarding the yoke out there. Oh well.
Then why did they discontinue it if it wasn’t a stupid idea? Oh well.
I just want to go into the thing itself a little bit here… What vehicles do we see “yoke” style steering wheels on? Racing cars and karts. Why do we see yokes on those vehicles specifically? Extremely fast steering racks that will go lock-to-lock in a half or quarter turn, coupled with cockpits that either do not allow enough arm movement due to restraints or space to have more wheel movement. Are Teslas cramped inside with arm restraints because they’re open-top racecars? Do they have racing racks that go lock to lock in a quarter turn? Are Teslas driven like a racecar, where both hands will always be on the wheel unless you’re banging through gears? No.
It’s a child’s view of the world that spawned the idea of putting yokes in Teslas, because the child (Musk) saw racecars and was too ignorant to understand why they had yokes. Techbros and their consequences, etc.
“But I think its cool, so therefore you are incorrect!”
That is kind of the funny thing about autos. Like most manufacturers are terrible in many ways. Environment, political, the way they treat people or how shitty their quality control is. Planned obsolescence. There is still a fake “supply demand” issue that they have literally concocted to jack prices through the roof. Literally price gouging asking 15k over MRSP because they pretend they have a supply issue lol.
All the US majors are in on this scam and it’s sad we don’t have a government worth a fuck to fight it…
Elon is just mouthy about it lol. I couldn’t even tell you who the CEO of GMC is. They are awful as well tho.
The problem unique to car companies is that the Repubs are beholden to the car companies and the only unions big enough and worth a shit in the US is the UAW, and Democrats are beholden to anything they need.
So you literally can’t do anything to regulate the industry without pissing off one or the other. The car companies will use any legislation raised against them to lay off union jobs.
Is the UAW still a powerful union? Hasn’t it been mostly dismantled and destroyed by union busting and automation?
Sure. Also Right-to-work legislation. Red States race to the bottom with worker protections.
Still the most powerful, tho.
Liberals downvoting a 100% based comment
Did you think they were agreeing with you bazinga boy? Lmao
Yeah; it’s very strange. The new online norm seems to be “don’t buy anything from a company if the primary person is a jerk.”
Meanwhile everyone online is buying stuff from jerks. They are just less vocal about it.
I REALLY don’t care to research every company I buy something from. Even if I know the primary person is a jerk, I still don’t care unless there is a near equal alternative.
Yes, nearly every product is made by assholes, rapists, abusers, and so on. The difference is that teslas are shit cars with a child in charge of design
The point here is that the main guy is like the biggest asshole, but the product itself is also ass while pretending not to be, likely fucking up the future “innovation” to be more fucking trash like this
@GarfieldYaoi @const_void
When buying a car, you have a wide choice of shitty corporations to purchase from.
No one cares about the rich assholes who own other car companies, so why Tesla? For example Toyota were some of the biggest campaign donors to Trump.
Also what does this have to do with Fuck Cars? This is about the minutiae of car culture… We should be talking about trains and bicycles here.
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https://www.npr.org/2022/02/11/1080073061/california-sues-tesla-racism-fremont
Because all car companies bad, no one should be allowed to call out especially bad things in car companies.
No one cares about the rich assholes who own other car companies, so why Tesla? For example Toyota were some of the biggest campaign donors to Trump.
Because the others know to keep their mouths shut and not draw attention to themselves. Also F Toyota for being donors.
Also what does this have to do with Fuck Cars? This is about the minutiae of car culture… We should be talking about trains and bicycles here.
This I totally agree with though. I would perhaps also include cars in the capacity of how they hurt our cities for instance, but in this case it’s not like the article said that the Tesla owners bought bikes instead.
Iirc many Tesla owners were/are left leaning and I’m guessing many of them bought a Tesla in a combination of tech enthusiasm and wanting avoiding fossil fuel. The same group of people are probably more positive to, for instance, 15 min cities. So it’s likely that some members here own a Tesla.
@NotYourSocialWorker @stilgar Here is a list of the CEOs of Fortune 1000 companies who are not assholes:
Wait. That Trump thing. You got a source? I’d love to learn more about it.
OK my claim was a bit overblown, but they’re not exactly strangers to the far right https://www.huffpost.com/entry/toyota-backlash-gop-donations_n_60dacd0ce4b08ef5e2be61c7
Thanks
the american urge to paste your opinions on your automobile
Clicked through the first link and saw like half a dozen stickers with the only joke conservatives have ever been able to think of; “x identifies as y”. Imagine thinking that’s such a pinnacle of comedy that you reuse it for everything you can think of for years and years, never tiring of it.
I would prefer they drive a Tesla than a petrol car. But if they swap to another electric car, I’ll take it. I hope they advocate for better public transport links locally though.
What would be the purpose of swapping ?
It wouldn’t automagically reuse the resources used to build the Tesla car into another one.
This is a stretch but with bad press the resale value of existing teslas may drop to within reach of more consumers who would otherwise drive an ICE.
Would generally be better if they just kept driving their old car.
Makes sense the people buying teslas are obsessed with what others think of them
Eyy
Imagine “Twitter stuff” being your breaking point after all the bad shit Musk did. These people are the real problem.
He had some credibility with nerds because Tesla transformed the electric car market* and was making contributions to renewable energy storage, SpaceX revived the idea of doing more in space than just launching the occasional satellite or probe, and Starlink was pitched with the idea that it’d bring about globally accessable, high-speed low-latency internet. The result is that, because he is the face of Tesla, SpaceX and Starlink, he received the major of the credit for them. Nerds were willing to overlook the fact that he was an asshole for the contributions that his companies were making to science and technology because either “he’s just shitposting” or “sometimes you have to take what you can get *shrug*”. It wasn’t until he bought Twitter that they realized that he’s not just shitposting, he really is just like that, and that maybe he was causing more harm than he was doing good.
Source: My dad and I had a lot of respect for him up until he bought Twitter and started throwing a temper tantrum. My opinion of him was already waning when I saw the fit he threw about not being able to use his submarine and the bigoted shit he said on Twitter, but him buying Twitter broke any illusions that the either of us had about him being even a somewhat decent person. I’ve also seen others have similar experiences as well.
* seriously, does no one remember how the major car manufacturers were trying to bury electric cars? Does no one remember that one of the big reasons why we have so many electric cars now is because Tesla voluntarily released all their patents to the public in 2014?
Look I get it. Elon is an asshole. But the thing is he took his money and put it into two companies that people basically laughed out of the room as a joke. That is why he is worth so much now.
I agree that Tesla did a TON to popularize electric vehicles when the closest thing from a major American auto manufacturer at the time was probably the plug-in hybrid Chevy Volt. That spark, largely ignited by Tesla, is likely a huge reason we have many of the options we do today.
It’s a shame major manufacturers like Toyota and Honda still won’t get onboard (yes, Toyota technically has a single EV offering as of this year, but good luck finding it and most reviews seem to find it underwhelming at best), but I think that fact further bolsters your point. If those two major players still can’t be bothered to get involved, I think it does indicate that what Tesla did during the last decade or so helped inspire others to get into the market that may not have otherwise.
That said, do we have any evidence that Tesla’s announcement of a plan to release their patents in 2014 really made any real difference? I am unaware of any of those patents being used by competitors anywhere, though it is entirely possible I am uninformed and I’d appreciate any sources you have.
I think one of the most glaring examples that the patent release may have had little to no impact is that the now-presumptuously-renamed “NACS” connector still isn’t used by anyone other than Tesla almost a decade on. In fact, SAE only announced that they would standardize the thing at the end of June this year.
Again, I freely admit that I agree Tesla deserves credit for finally creating a real, mainstream electric vehicle market. However, I am personally unaware of any benefits their 2014 “announcement of a plan to release their parents” has actually directly benefited the industry.
Ford, GM, Volvo, Nissan, Rivian, Polestar, and Mercedes-Benz have all announced that they will support NACS with an adaptor some time next year, and they will all have NACS ports in 2025.
Ok, but the comment to which I was replying was referring to when Tesla (supposedly) opened up their parents almost a decade ago so I’m not sure your comment addresses my question.
Honestly it’s pretty shocking they are all essentially saying don’t buy our cars for a year because our charging network can’t compete with Tesla.
Tbh I don’t actually have any sources for cars using the patent, it was my understanding however that a number of the patents were related to things like how the batteries were designed. As such, it makes logical sense to me that the explosion of electric cars with Tesla-like ranges would indicate that they were using Tesla’s tech to some extent. However, after your reply I did look to see if there was any concrete information about whether or not anyone is using them, and found this article from 2015 in which Musk claims there are/were multiple parties using their patents. That’s Musk’s claim though, and he didn’t provide any proof for it so take that with a grain of salt.
Secondly, something to note is that the Chevy Volt (2010) didn’t launch until after the Tesla Roadster (2008) had already been released. What’s important, imo, is that the previous full-electric cars were cars like the GM EV-1, Ford Ranger EV, Chrysler TEVan, Chevy S-10 EV, Honda EV Plus, or the infamous G-Wiz. All of these cars have something in common, which is that they were very slow, had very short ranges, took a long time to charge, and were fairly expensive and/or had a very limited run (or you had to be entered into a lottery to buy one). Some, like the GM EV-1 were forcefully recalled and destroyed after their makers got bored of them and declared them a failure. Finally, I like this quote from the Wikipedia article on the history of electric cars:
In an August 2009 edition of The New Yorker, GM vice-chairman Bob Lutz was quoted as saying, “All the geniuses here at General Motors kept saying lithium-ion technology is 10 years away, and Toyota agreed with us – and boom, along comes Tesla. So I said, ‘How come some tiny little California startup, run by guys who know nothing about the car business, can do this, and we can’t?’ That was the crowbar that helped break up the log jam.”
Well that’s because he went from having an ounce of credibility to none at all.
Doesnt matter. Do people really do no research before spending so much on a car?
absolutely, there are so many folks I have to warn about ‘problem models’. Stuff you could learn yourself just by googling the model of the car + ‘problems’
Probably not. The brand reputation could be best summed up as sect.
While the car might be reliable but they are objectively anti-right to repair causing issues for the consumer and they need to build dozens before being reliable:
With VW you can get (most) software, order VW parts overnight or OEM and third-party parts within 2-3 days. At the same time, I hear that some Tesla repairs take months and workshops are 1-2 hours drive away …
Build quality is clearly not a strong point of Tesla. If you wouldn’t know one might suspect the car had an accident before (gap dimensions all over the place). I think Tesla is also the only car where it is strongly recommended to perform wheel alignment on a new car.
I’m sure the resale value plummeting after the driving range bullshit was exposed probably doesn’t factor into the not selling. Right?
The resale value is plummeting because Tesla is cutting prices because their goal is to become a larger auto manufacturer. Tesla took advantage of COVID just like everyone else to extract money from suckers. Those suckers are crying that Tesla is hurting their resale when Tesla does not give a fuck about their resale. They have a history of lowering prices to drive volume That isn’t some secret plan. There are more new buyers to be had than satisfy the people who bought overpriced cars in an expanding market.
Also what evs are people cross shopping for better range per dollar. It is well documented Teslas are still among the most efficient evs.
That being said I own a Tesla because it drives itself.most places. I would rather live in a place with better public transit access to the service calls I have and not own a car at all.
Bolt euv and kona ev are cheaper with the same range. People that didn’t immediately buy a shitty car to look cool can easily shop around for a better ev.
cool story, bro
Not a educated criticism but ok
Well, the only thing I’ll bother to comment on, because I have no interest in debating Tesla stans, is that the prices weren’t initially getting lowered because of some rosey-hued intention of becoming more accessible or anything like that. Prices were dropping because his antics with Twitter turned off potential buyers and he was forced to reduce prices to seem more palatable to those not completely turned off by him already, under the facade of trying to become more of a competitive brand etc etc etc. And that was before the driving range reporting, during which many owners reported being pissed that their already-depressed value cars were now worth even less, so they were probably stuck with them. Hope that response was more acceptable for you. If not, oh well.
Tesla production is growing year over year rapidly. If they want to sell higher volume they have to have lower prices. If they didn’t want to sell higher volume, they wouldn’t be expanding production so much.
uh huh, keep telling yourself that’s the reason, despite multiple levels of Tesla employees and customers anonymously and publicly expressing that they wished he would turn Twitter over to someone else and focus on Tesla again to keep their stock from falling more that it already was at the time. You’re not educating anyone here.
I bought it before the twitter stuff
but you bought it well after everyone knew they were shit quality explosive deathtraps and that he was a paedophile
Also a sexpest who wants what Epstein wanted, to spread his super smart and special seed. He already got god knows how many women pregnant and forced them sign NDAs
pedo?
If he was anyone else, I’d give him the benefit of the doubt. But when you’re a fucking billionaire businessman, you’re telling me you don’t vet the people you meet? It’s why I don’t trust the narrative that Trump didn’t know Epstein personally. These people have ex special forces as security guards and you can’t do a quick search on who this weird rich person is. My ass.
Epstein and Ghislaine were/are intelligence assets. If they got something on Musk, it’d either be out by now or they’re dictating all this shit.
It’s a thin shield of irony because pretty much every Tesla owner I know was already a complete douchebag before the Twitter thing.
lolmayo
I don’t hurl insults at Tesla owners. If they’re dumb enough to stick to owning a car more likely to explode than a Pinto while not even having the panels line up correctly on a $40k “luxury” car, then there’s no pox I could wish on them worse than what they’re already signed up for.
LOL oh no, these panels are slightly askew and it’s fixed for free immediately. The horror… what have I done to myself?
https://news.yahoo.com/tesla-makes-least-reliable-cars-133500819.html
You paid money for it, so you must downplay bad, even dangerous, things about your purchase.
You obviously have no experience with the cars and are posting one-off issue articles from years ago.
Believe it or not, I am quite happy with my purchase.
Believe it or not, I am quite happy with my purchase.
Sunk-cost fallacy intensifies
You want to banish your doubts soooo badly that you keep jerking it on the FuckCars section of this site of all places. Why are you even here besides the usual Tesla “look at me look at me” validation cravings?
I love day one patches for my games instead of just having one that works
The car worked fine with a misaligned panel. Not sure what you’re getting at.
They designed that child immolation feature just for you, please put it to good use!
