Just ignore peopleās lives involving those that live near them, family, lack of money, lack of a destination that will take them long term, and every other thing beyond vehicles go vroom.
"just ignore peopleās lives involving those that live near them, family, lack of money, lack of a destination that will take them long term, and every other thing beyond vehicles go vroom. "
my reply:
thatās not a good idea; you arenāt taking into account important parts of peopleās lives that can affect their ability or inclination to travel.
you sound a bit DeSantis, wanting to ship people off without due consideration or even a rough plan in mind.
Americans can travel to most countries in the world(180 of them, give or take) either visa-free or with a visa on arrival.
Almost all remaining countries accept online visa applications. You fill out an online form (15 minutes or less), pay the fee, and they email you the Visa a day or two later.
So, I left. Itās not nearly as easy as you claim.
First off, where? Where do they go?
Secondly, how do they stay? You need a visa. Thatās not easy, especially if you lack higher education.
Thirdly, what about language?
Fourthly, what about support network? All of your knowledge of how law, politics, social customs, and more is now irrelevant. Whom do you ask for help with things? How do you make sure you donāt get scammed when buying an apartment? Or that you take the right bus? Or that your company is handling taxes properly?
Fifth, what about a job? Especially if you lack higher education, why would a company hire a foreigner? Unless they can pay you dirt, of course.
So yeah, this ājust leaveā thinking is absolute bullshit. Youāre not actually thinking through things. Itās not that easy. Life improvement is not guaranteed.
On an opposing note, I keep thinking I should go back. Why? Because shit isnāt gonna get better if all the people who want change are gone. My life is pretty fucking rad here, butā¦ seeing this happen to the US without me doing anything about it makes me feel like Iām abdicating my responsibilities as a citizen
you have pretty broad questions, so Iām going to give you relatively broad answers, that i am happy to expand upon further.
āWhere?ā
wherever you want that fits your circumstances.
āhow do they stay?ā
Americans travel visa-free or visa-on-arrival to over 180 countries and can stay in those countries for weeks, months or years.
āYou need a visa. Thatās not easyā
Itās pretty easy. Americans usually donāt need a visa, and when they do, the process these days is usually
online form for 5-15 minutes.
Pay fee.
visa is emailed to you.
āwhat about language?ā
I suggest learning the local language where youāre living for a variety of reasons.
Thereās an episode about that coming up!
Actually, there are episodes about all of this coming up, haha.
āwhat about support network? Whom do you ask for helpā¦?ā
There are huge expat and local support networks in every country that will answer every question youāve asked, as well as embassies, consulates, and help lines.
If youāre teaching ESL, youāll have a cultural liaison from your school or less formal support staff.
āAll of your knowledge of how law, politics, social customs, and more is now irrelevantā
is that knowledge particularly relevant to your day to day life in your home country?
Abroad, you may reflect upon that information being about as useful and temporary asā¦paper cranes in a flood.
āFifth, what about a job?ā
If you have a remote job that pays $500 USD a month, you can live in most countries comfortably.
If you are a native English speaker, you can teach English and make a lot more.
Those are two of any number of work options.
āwhy would a company hire a foreigner?ā
For the same reasons all companies hire foreigners: that foreigner has a skill the company requires.
āthey can pay you dirtā
Starting pay for ESL in china is $2500 usd a month in china without a degree or tefl certificate. With both, itās closer to $3500 a month.
Cost of living in China is about $300-$600 usd a month depending on where you are.
āā¦it makes me feel like Iām abdicating my responsibilities as a citizenā
Participating in and paying into the US system that is exploiting entire generations and stripping their rights bears more social guilt than protesting against the system and withholding funding, but:
nobody is making you take these available opportunities.
My point is and has been that most Americans can escape the system and stop supporting it if they want to.
Nobody is going to make anyone start traveling, learn things, make friends, and save money, but you can if you want to.
far more people can leave.
Iād like to help both.
Thereās no way this could be true.
it is.
Far more people can leave the US than cannot leave the US.
How are you coming to this conclusion?
Yeah. We are one of the most populous countries in the world. 300 million people. And most countries are shutting down migration.
transportation and travel fundamentals.
Just ignore peopleās lives involving those that live near them, family, lack of money, lack of a destination that will take them long term, and every other thing beyond vehicles go vroom.
thatās not a good idea; you arenāt taking into account important parts of peopleās lives that can affect their ability or inclination to travel.
you sound a bit DeSantis, wanting to ship people off without due consideration or even a rough plan in mind.
I think you replied to the wrong comment.
you said:
"just ignore peopleās lives involving those that live near them, family, lack of money, lack of a destination that will take them long term, and every other thing beyond vehicles go vroom. "
my reply:
thatās not a good idea; you arenāt taking into account important parts of peopleās lives that can affect their ability or inclination to travel.
you sound a bit DeSantis, wanting to ship people off without due consideration or even a rough plan in mind.
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Where are these hundreds of millions of people travelling to?
are you trying to ask where Americans can travel?
yes
Americans can travel to most countries in the world(180 of them, give or take) either visa-free or with a visa on arrival.
Almost all remaining countries accept online visa applications. You fill out an online form (15 minutes or less), pay the fee, and they email you the Visa a day or two later.
So, I left. Itās not nearly as easy as you claim.
First off, where? Where do they go?
Secondly, how do they stay? You need a visa. Thatās not easy, especially if you lack higher education.
Thirdly, what about language?
Fourthly, what about support network? All of your knowledge of how law, politics, social customs, and more is now irrelevant. Whom do you ask for help with things? How do you make sure you donāt get scammed when buying an apartment? Or that you take the right bus? Or that your company is handling taxes properly?
Fifth, what about a job? Especially if you lack higher education, why would a company hire a foreigner? Unless they can pay you dirt, of course.
So yeah, this ājust leaveā thinking is absolute bullshit. Youāre not actually thinking through things. Itās not that easy. Life improvement is not guaranteed.
On an opposing note, I keep thinking I should go back. Why? Because shit isnāt gonna get better if all the people who want change are gone. My life is pretty fucking rad here, butā¦ seeing this happen to the US without me doing anything about it makes me feel like Iām abdicating my responsibilities as a citizen
you have pretty broad questions, so Iām going to give you relatively broad answers, that i am happy to expand upon further.
āWhere?ā
wherever you want that fits your circumstances.
āhow do they stay?ā
Americans travel visa-free or visa-on-arrival to over 180 countries and can stay in those countries for weeks, months or years.
āYou need a visa. Thatās not easyā
Itās pretty easy. Americans usually donāt need a visa, and when they do, the process these days is usually
online form for 5-15 minutes.
Pay fee.
visa is emailed to you.
āwhat about language?ā
I suggest learning the local language where youāre living for a variety of reasons.
Thereās an episode about that coming up!
Actually, there are episodes about all of this coming up, haha.
āwhat about support network? Whom do you ask for helpā¦?ā
There are huge expat and local support networks in every country that will answer every question youāve asked, as well as embassies, consulates, and help lines.
If youāre teaching ESL, youāll have a cultural liaison from your school or less formal support staff.
āAll of your knowledge of how law, politics, social customs, and more is now irrelevantā
is that knowledge particularly relevant to your day to day life in your home country?
Abroad, you may reflect upon that information being about as useful and temporary asā¦paper cranes in a flood.
āFifth, what about a job?ā
If you have a remote job that pays $500 USD a month, you can live in most countries comfortably.
If you are a native English speaker, you can teach English and make a lot more.
Those are two of any number of work options.
āwhy would a company hire a foreigner?ā
For the same reasons all companies hire foreigners: that foreigner has a skill the company requires.
āthey can pay you dirtā
Starting pay for ESL in china is $2500 usd a month in china without a degree or tefl certificate. With both, itās closer to $3500 a month.
Cost of living in China is about $300-$600 usd a month depending on where you are.
āā¦it makes me feel like Iām abdicating my responsibilities as a citizenā
Participating in and paying into the US system that is exploiting entire generations and stripping their rights bears more social guilt than protesting against the system and withholding funding, but:
nobody is making you take these available opportunities.
My point is and has been that most Americans can escape the system and stop supporting it if they want to.
Nobody is going to make anyone start traveling, learn things, make friends, and save money, but you can if you want to.
Obviously ācanā is subjective.
āCanā people afford a plane ticket to somewhere? Probably.
Would their quality of life in that destination be satisfactory? In most cases, no.
āācanā is subjective.ā
They can or cannot. Pretty clear-cut.
'āCanā people afford a plane ticket to somewhere? Probably."
Yup.
āWould their quality of life in that destination be satisfactory?ā
also a strong yup. higher to much higher quality of life.
Higher pay, fewer hours, better social support, better infrastructure, more opportunities.