Red Bull - European but Far right
Buy European but … Also with ethical considerations.
Red Bull might sound cool, but they have their own TV station in Austria. (servus TV) And that station js beyond far right. Spreading disinformation, and Russian propaganda, Corona Bullshi, Ivermectint, cleaning stuff with chlorid, climate change deniers, … If there is a conspiracy they support it …
(And it’s also not very healthy,…)
But also be mindful of the fact that the more rules you add for people to be part of a movement, the less members the movement will have.
The “Buy European” protest is about sending a message of resistance against the current US regime, as well as reducing reliance on US products.
It doesn’t require you to only buy ethically spotless products.
That simply isn’t possible in our system.The post is not a “rule”. OP didn’t even ask people to stop using Red Bull. I’m glad to have more information.
If you really enjoy Red Bull, you’re an adult, make your choices. Personally, I can take it or leave it, so I’ll choose to leave it.
Bullshit they actively promoting anti corona, pro Putin and far right wing plebs for the last 10 years now! I live in Austria and it’s ridiculous you try defend them. Yes they were an awesome tv station back then )until 2017. But nowadays it’s just a hate tv!
Wait really? I live in the US granted but I don’t want to support any company that does heinous shit like this.
It’s greatly exaggerated, on ServusTV they just have all kind of people, so sometimes stupid people are there too. They have this format „Rechts-Links-Mitte“ (right left center) where they typically have around five people with heavily varying positions discussing with each other. So no, it’s not them supporting conspiracies but rather trying to find people for these discussions. On the other hand it means that the others get the chance to debunk fake news and conspiracies in those discussions, potentially getting viewers to change their position. You don’t achieve that by making these people not watch any discussions because “their guy” isn’t there anyway.
Before our election I liked watching their news since the ORF (öffentlich rechtlicher Rundfunk - our official TV where all the important stuff is) only talked about what’s wrong with so many people to make them vote for the FPÖ (far right party) and how they could be made reasonable again (blame on the people for voting for that party) while Servus TV talked about why people are voting for them and what other parties potentially could change to gain them back (blame on the parties for making decisions that led to losing voters to the FPÖ) (to clarify, I didn’t vote for the FPÖ and never world, I’m heavily opposing quite a few of their policies - regardless I can’t deny that they wouldn’t be as strong if our other parties acted differently, many people simply are voting for the FPÖ to express their protest which is why its good to discuss about what the other parties should change).
ServusTV also has great documentaries (mostly about Austria and neighbouring countries, for example about a group of mountains (sometimes even singular mountains), or about hiking trails, mountainbiking routes, ski touring, climbing, about a river, a lake, a city, a castle, a church, …).
My favourite aspect is that Red Bull heavily invests in sports, sponsoring many people that wouldn’t be able to follow their (often niche) sport without them.
Absolutely not a company that deserves a boycott imo. (I don’t buy anything from them though because I usually only drink water.)
This sounds dangerous tbh. I do not really watch ServusTV, nor do I know much about Red Bull business practices but stuff like the “Rechts-Links-Mitte” format sounds like they’re giving right wing extremists a platform to spread their misinformation and rhetoric. It might sound like a good idea to have opinions from all different kinds of people but media companies should have a moral duty to educate viewers and not foster misinformation by acknowledging every single opinion. That’s why you should be careful with things like these.
Furthermore the wikipedia article does mention ServusTV spreading misinformation about the covid vaccines, citing DerStandard and Tagesschau articles from 2021.
So all in all it seems the political reports on ServusTV should be taken with some suspicion. That does not mean they can’t have nice documentaries or sport broadcasts though.
As for Red Bull, they can’t really let ServusTV spread misinformation without actually supporting it. Probably makes them more money in some way. Might be a good idea to try out a suitable alternative energy drink if there is one.
That’s a half truth.
In that Format mentioned, they always make sure to have a 4 to 1 superiority in numbers against any center or left people and also only have them there for show. It is designed to tell people, that they are open for discussion. But in truth they spread far right propaganda and Russian propaganda. (Which is the same in Austria, since the FPÖ is famously “brought” and backed bay Putin.).
Recently their main host description of Ukraine was “drug fueled Nazi war mongers who attacked Russia”.
Redbull is trash anyways. The only good thing about Redbull is Vegas Bombs. Otherwise skip out on this trash energy drink
Luckily there are local alternatives that come from companies that haven’t at least been caught doing heinous shit (and are small enough that maybe they aren’t doing anything heinous), but I fucking hate that both Monster and Red Bull are out. Monster Aussie Lemonade is my favourite energy drink I’ve tasted in a long long time and red bull is just a reliable choice that tastes good cold and is available everywhere.
They’re likely not going to be available in Estonia, but does anyone wanna recommend anything European-made that’s pretty sour like Aussie Lemonade? I might do an European road trip later this year and would like to test different energy drinks. Yes I have an addiction. No, I don’t want help.
Without reading the actual post, and my sole reaction to the thread title is: you can purchase Reddit mods?
Where is the post?
I meant the thread title… my bad.
Holy shit what is up with the reddit mods? I posted a screenshot of a Mastodon post there yesterday, that basically said if youre switching us big tech for eu big tech you’re not doing enough and that we have to support decentralized tech. Deleted in 5 minutes because it “posts should be relevant to european made products”
after having lived in Austria…I’m not buying anything from that racist nazi country.
Would you like to share your experience?
Their F1 team is notorious for one of their most senior staff members spewing racist bullshit with no consequences from ownership, so this doesn’t shock me.
Edit: and their team principal having serious sexual misconduct allegations that got “investigated” and quickly swept under the rug.
10 to 15 years back when I still watched tv, I loved Servus TV: news, lots of documentaries, reports and some panel shows. Like, TV before enshittification. Absolutely nothing even remotely close to what this post is suggesting. Has it gone down since then, or is this post misinformation? Can anybody who’s still watching TV confirm this?
Misinformation, I’ll refer to my other comment https://mander.xyz/comment/17586770
It also tastes like shit and is prohibitively expensive compared to many energy drink brands
Also has even higher chances of giving you kidney stones than other sodas iirc
But isn’t that all energy drinks? Not that I have any clue, the only times I ever drank them was when I was 17 and they were mixed with vodka.
The ol’ heart exploder cocktail.
Idk honestly but I have read this factoid specifically about red bull several times on the Internet so it must be true (/s)
They also support Israel’s apartheid and occupation, they are listed on the NoThanks app.
It’s also owned by the creator of the original Red Bull in Thailand, which is a different company, but it’s named after an extreme right wing paramilitary https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Gaurs
I don’t drink Red bull but still would like a more thorough article or information about this
Wikipedia provides a starting point!
I don’t drink it because it’s trash, but I had no idea about any of this. The word needs to be spread.
Servus TV is a TV station based in Wals-Siezenheim in the Austrian state of Salzburgand owned by Red Bull Media House GmbH, a subsidiary of Red Bull GmbH, which also publishes the magazine Servus in Stadt und Land. The station is the successor to Salzburg TV, founded in 1995 and rebranded in 2009. It is politically aligned with the far right.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ServusTV
C’mon you have the fucking Internet, you can just search this shit yourself if you want more information.
It’s normal to expect from OP to provide source for their claim.
It’s not good to not be able to research yourself.
Lets say 5000 people see this post - should it be normal and expected that 5000 people spend their time hunting down a source to a claim, or have a single OP include it in their post?
Should it be normal or expected that 5000 people read and believe something without self verifying it beyond what could be cherry picked or outright false examples by an OP?
They asked for more information about a topic in which they were interested, on a forum designed to spread information. I don’t think you can reasonably fault the person asking for more information of being lazy, when the OP could be considered equally lazy for not including the context in the first place, right?
Either way you’re right, being able to look things up is a good skill to have! But maybe don’t be a jerk about it, we left reddit for a reason, right? ;)
Welcome to the spot, you’re absolutely right and the world could use more people that think like you.
For real, keep being you at all costs, you’re awesome.
No one said they’re unable to research, asking for a source is normal imo. Supporting claims with sources in the first place would be better, the internet is overrun by fake news and lies. Most don’t take the time to research everything they see online. It’s simply a big researchers team’s full time job to research everything you see scrolling 10 minutes on any platform. So when stating a claim or posting a story, you should support it with sources or otherwise you should be asked to do so.
Why would you assume they aren’t able? They just said they’d like more information, not that they can’t go get it themselves…
You can also just ignore them.
Damn, “Servus in Stadt und Land” doesn’t even need a translation to realize how racist it is.
I speak german and there is nothing rascist about that sentence.
Servus literally means “Hello” in many German dialects, especially in Austria:
Servus, and various local variants thereof, is a salutation used in many parts of Central and Eastern Europe. It is a word of greeting or parting like the Italian ciao (which also comes from the slave meaning through Venetian s’ciavo).
Also, it is used precisely because most people were servants a dozen or more centuries ago.
Maybe next time use a translator just in case before commenting mate. Servus is the name of the TV station, “in city and country” is very hard for me, impossible really, to find anything racist in it.
Icl, ik this is slightly irrelevant to the post but even though I never really liked Red Bull (mostly cuz of their highly processed and unnatural taste) I’ve always rated and supported their stunts and funding of athletes, which I think regardless of their political views should be acknowledged and supported.
idk about r/buyFromEU but r/europe on reddit is pretty right-wing
If Germany’s CDU had a Reddit wing, r/Europe would be it lmao
I think the buy EU thing (and for that matter, all this trade war bullshit) is one of those things that claims to be apolitical but is inherently nationalistic and so massively popular with/supported by/in support of the authoritarian right.
One of those salt of saturn political things that lets people pretend they aren’t right-wing.
You can’t take things out of context. There’s currently a far right US presidents creating an economical war with the historical allies and economical partners of his country. The point of boycotting is to try to prove him wrong about thinking that he can impose his wishes by force, the target is him and his government, not the US people in general. There’s also the hope that weakening him could allow a political change next term, which would make things better for our American friends. Of course it is political, but it’s against Trump, not the people.
we shouldn’t dismiss the movement as a whole just because some rightwingers are a part of it, but our choices with regard to consumption should be more nuanced than America bad, Europe good.
True. If the movement was called boycott facists, or even buy local I don’t think there would be the same problem.
Right-wing is when not wanting to buy from fascists
Exactly what I am talking about. Plenty of facists in the EU, plenty of non-facists outside the EU. Make your decision based on the politics of the people you are buying from, not what flag they wrap around themselves.
The point is that fascism is not unique to the US, i.e. not everyone from the US is fascist and the EU also has fascists. To imply that universally EU=good and US=bad is nationalistic. Just be aware thay this sentiment may also attract people who join out of a sense of national pride rather than anti-fascism.
The US is lead by a fascist and a fascist party. Most of the EU isn’t. I also don’t buy stuff from Italy for the same reason.
So you don’t buy anything from Italy?
Yes
By right wing, do you mean right of Marxism or do you have some example of conservatism?
no, I mean that there is plenty of racism on r/europe and the mods tolerate it
Really? I said that we should limit migration EU wide and I got perma banned… r/Europe is not right wing at all
I think people don’t realize Red Bull is not a beverage company, they’re a marketing company. Just like Google is an ad company
Anyway, the main message of this post is actually really important. Buying European is not what you have to aim for. We have to start making the switch to sustainable consumption. For softwares, plenty of open-source alternatives exist that are way better than European ones. The US do not have the monopoly on fascist capitalism
