• ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca
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    11 days ago

    Languages evolve through use

    You can use vous in place of il elle, just like there is nothing stopping people from using they in place of he/her in English

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      11 days ago

      Didā€¦ did the tables not help? They can be used as either singular or plural but itā€™s always third person.

      If I was speaking directly to you, and you used they/them pronouns. I wouldnā€™t convert the sentence ā€œYou are tallā€ to ā€œThey are tallā€. Those 2 sentences mean entirely different things. Thatā€™s what the ā€œpersonā€ part of a pronoun is. Itā€™s who youā€™re referring to. 1st person is the person speaking, 2nd person is the person being spoken to, and 3rd person is someone about whom you are speaking.

      1st - ā€œI am tall.ā€

      2nd - ā€œYou are tall.ā€

      3rd - ā€œHe/She/They is/are tall.ā€

      1st - ā€œJe suis grand.ā€

      2nd - ā€œTu/Vous es grand.ā€

      3rd - ā€œIl/Elle est grand(e).ā€

      Does this help? Tu is already not gendered. Vous isnā€™t gendered either. Itā€™s not the same as ā€œtheyā€ at all. It means an entirely different thing.

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        11 days ago

        You/they arenā€™t gendered already. You/They are tall. He/She is tall

        People started using them as pronouns even though you would never say ā€œthey is tallā€

        Itā€™s the same thing

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          No youā€™d say ā€œThey are tall.ā€ Because thatā€™s how we conjugate that in English. They has always been used as both a singular and a plural because we donā€™t always know the gender of who were talking about. In French il/ils is the default when you donā€™t know a 3rd personā€™s gender. Il/ils is masculine.

          It isnā€™t. Iā€™m a French speaker, Iā€™m telling you it isnā€™t. Vous is second person singular or plural. They is third person singular or plural. They is NEVER second person. Vous is NEVER third person. This is how the language is used around the world today.

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            10 days ago

            In French il/ils is the default when you donā€™t know a 3rd personā€™s gender. Il/ils is masculine.

            No shit

            Itā€™s for people who donā€™t want to be called it

            This is you just being angry for the sake of being angry

            Stick with masc pronouns, as has been explained to you from the beginning; if someone wants to be called Vous then they will use it

            • LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              I genuinely cannot tell if you are trolling. I am a French speaker. I work in it every single day.

              Vous is NOT A THIRD PERSON PRONOUN. IT IS A SECOND PERSON PRONOUN. IT MEANS ā€œYou allā€. THAT IS NOT THE KIND OF PRONOUNS TRANS PEOPLE HAVE PREFERENCES ABOUT.

              MY PARTNER IS NONBINARY AND USES THEY/THEM PRONOUNS IN ENGLISH. THERE IS NO EQUIVALENT TO THAT IN FRENCH.

              The only pronoun suggested by anyone as a gender neutral one in French is ā€œielā€. It is not in common use at all and lacks any kind of widespread adoption.

              How are you so entitled that you can continue to be this blatantly wrong about something you clearly do not understand? Itā€™s genuinely incredible.