• yunxiaoli@sh.itjust.works
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    11 days ago

    You use singular they every single day or at most every single week and you have for your entire life and so did all of your English speaking ancestors including middle English.

    'how far out is the pizza guyā€™s ā€˜theyā€™re 15 minutes outā€™

    ā€˜my coworker was a pain in the ass todayā€™ ā€˜what theyā€™d do this time?ā€™

    ā€˜i think my doctor is famousā€™ ā€˜oh whatā€™s their name?ā€™

    They was singular before it was plural, and itā€™s singular use is still one of the most common pronouns in English.

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      Every example you provided was extremely unambiguous and without anything that might require distinction between singular and plural. Often language isnā€™t that simple. For example, ā€œFion had finally joined the party and they were happy about it.ā€ Who does ā€œtheyā€ refer to in that context? Yes, you can write/speak your way around it, but that adds extra difficulty that isnā€™t suited for casual speaking/writing. That is why people (who arenā€™t transphobes) donā€™t like it as a pronoun and would rather have a new word.

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        In your sentence they unambiguously refers to fion. Itā€™s really not that hard for a fluent speaker. Iā€™m not a native and this shit is simple, itā€™s unwritten but innately known like the order of adjectives when multiple are present.

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          When I was writting that, I assumed it was about the party, so clearly not so unambiguous. It could conceiveably refer to either - doubly so in casual speech where rules are bent. Fill up a books worth of text about a character using they/them pronouns (esspecially written by a bad writer) and you get confused often.

          To be clear, in ideal English, its easy to use. Most English is not ideal, with words being changed, dropped, reordered, ect. based on the speaker or writerā€™s whim in the moment. All that is before factoring in regional varients of English.

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            Shitjustworks not knowing what theyā€™re talking about and being transphobic, classic

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              Yes. Criticsm of the English language for not better supporting non-binary people. So transphobic. By advocating for the creation of a new non-gendered word, Iā€™m not advocating for a more inclusive language, Iā€™m actually part of a conspiracy with anyone who ever supported or used pronouns like ā€œXerā€, ā€œZerā€, and ā€œHirā€ to destroy trans rights.

              Also, youā€™re accusing me of not knowing English, when its literally my first and only language. If that is your rebuttal, clearly you donā€™t have much to back up your beliefs.

              Edit: and when I went to your profile to check for qualifications, literally the top one is admitting to being a hexbear user. Youā€™re really singling out shitjustworks as problematic?

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                English being your first and only language isnā€™t much of a brag when half this country can barely read lol. And yeah Iā€™ll happily call out your terrible instance, itā€™s full of transphobes that your admins refuse to do anything about.

                Maybe you should just listen to the people that identify that way and use these pronouns in their lives and donā€™t have problems. Iā€™ve read 2 trilogies recently, both worlds having an additional gender that uses they/them pronouns, one of the series has them as a POV character. Not confusing at all and one book of it makes you use to it real fast

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                  English being your first and only language isnā€™t much of a brag when half this country can barely read lol.

                  You you think those people benefit from not having a non-gendered, singular pronoun they can use? Because those people are the ones who determine how language use used.

                  Maybe you should just listen to the people that identify that way and use these pronouns in their lives and donā€™t have problems.

                  My problem isnā€™t with people picking that as a pronoun. For all I care, someone could pick something straight out of Whoā€™s on First and Iā€™d use it. My problem is that there is a single ā€œacceptedā€ non-binary set of pronouns, and it overlaps with the only plural set. If ā€œtheyā€ is the word someone is most comfortable with, so be it. At the same time, it shouldnā€™t be, effectively, the only option.

                  Iā€™ve read 2 trilogies recently, both worlds having an additional gender that uses they/them pronouns, one of the series has them as a POV character. Not confusing at all and one book of it makes you use to it real fast

                  Iā€™ve read a few books featuring non-binary characters using they/them pronouns. One was fine, two I had to drop because I kept having to double take what I read. As you said, half the US can barely read. Some of those people are authors. If they canā€™t communicate their ideas, then the language is failing. English needs to be (or rather, will end up being) usable by everyone, and if anything, you implying that Iā€™m not intelligent enough to use ā€œtheyā€ right proves my point.