Anything better?
Posteo + Addy.io + Thunderbird
Thunderbird?
tuta
I’ve been using Tuta for damn near a decade, and it’s been great for me.
I just got an account and had no idea it’s that old
Existed since 2011
Perhaps an indirect answer, but I’m using a duck.com forwarder whenever i need to give any address, these days. On top of tracker filtering and random alias generator, once i change addresses I’ll only have to update the forwarders destination.
Just leaving my vote for fastmail. They are wicked.
I was with fastmail for more than a decade.
They’re the best platform.
Their spam protection is so-so. Not as good as Gmail but better than some others.
Their pricing is egregiously expensive.
Their tech support is painfully slow for anything above chatGPT level.
I really like and use fastmail.
Although I have just started to try to completely de-google. Its a bit frustrating that they don’t offer an apk download. I put in a ticket today saying as much.
They seemed to understand,but basically just said that all I can do is to use the browser version.
I’m using aurora store to download their official google play version for now but it feels icky.
They are obviously now the only ones that I am having trouble with but I thought that they might be more willing to help people distance themselves from Gmail and Google, as Gmail is their obvious competition.
I use the FairEmail client
The Fastmail app itself is mostly a wrapper around the web app with integrations for notifications etc. Sans notifications it works perfectly as an installed PWA on Android. Ive been using it like that for months.
Alternatively there are lots of IMAP apps available. I was testing Thunderbird for Android recently and that works pretty well too.
Disclaimer: I work for Fastmail. But any opinions I have on here are my own.
ahh aurora store is perfectly fine. I use it with an anonymous session. I think there should be sites that let you download the APK directly, but you wouldn’t get updates.
It’s probably fine to use one of these methods, just don’t forget to update. 😁
If you really wanna get started with your own domain I highly recommend just getting https://purelymail.com/ setup for the hosting provider. It’s going to be way cheaper than just about anything and you pay for what you use. I’ve been on it for a few years and never had a problem.
Mailbox Standard compared to ProtonMail Plus:
- Cheaper (€30/yr vs ~€50/yr; if you don’t need custom domains, €1/mo)
- More aliases (25 on mailbox, 50 on own domain. Proton has 10 TOTAL - why custom domain aliases are counted against Proton ones does not make sense to me.)
- Support for any number of custom domains AFAICT (Proton Plus supports only one)
- Trial account is not allowed to send emails, so fewer issues with services blacklisting proton.me and protonmail.com for spam (hasn’t happened to me, but I have heard of some cases)
- Can use a regular email client (security tradeoff for E2EE messages - but there already were plenty of discussions on whether E2EE has benefits, especially sending mail to other services)
One of the biggest benefits with Mailbox.org is that you can create lots of aliases and trash mail addresses. Killer feature for me!
If you’re using a custom domain, don’t use Mailbox.org, see below:
https://userforum-en.mailbox.org/topic/anti-spoofing-for-custom-domains-spf-dkim-dmarc#comment-1524
Thanks. I’m on my second year in my bi-year purchase and considering options. Where’s mailbox.org located and what are their privacy policies regarding government agencies requests?
They’re located in Germany and have to fulfill requests, they publish a yearly transparency report about that: https://mailbox.org/en/post/transparency-report-2024
Tutamail, they have direct access by fdroid too
A couple months ago, I would have said Proton. But…
Here we are.
What’s up with Proton?
I never trusted them 100% so I never paid for their services and didn’t really follow up with their privacy and stuff. Just used their free services from time to time.
I switched to Proton about 6 months ago.
Wish I had waited. Ah well.
Domains are cheap, buy one and then you can jump between whatever services aren’t caught up in the outrage of the moment.
I did, but I already paid for two years (plus did a bunch of work to migrate files over). So I’ll be here for a bit.
I’m in exactly the same boat. Swapped both my Dropbox and emails over to Proton about 6 months ago and paid for 2 years, sigh
Sorry for the question but I’m a little lost here. What happened with Proton?
Because of this one? (I guess).
https://gitlab.com/simple-nixos-mailserver/nixos-mailserver
cracked it for me
What hardware is needed if you want to run this cheap and quiet? What you are using?
I recommended looking up the problems with self hosting a mail server first. Just go with Tuta imo, its cheaper and easier.
Buying your own domain.
You can then use whatever provider, or host your email service… but at least you don’t need to change addresses when switching anymore.MXRoute is what I use as my domain’s email server and it’s good enough. The included browser email clients (it offers multiple) are sort of trash but if you just use your own it’s perfect. It’s pretty cheap too
I started doing this, maybe 15 years ago, but if I look through my spam folder now, most of it is to the email address I used before I began using unique addresses (the rest is to random addresses in my domains that I’ve never used).
My hypotheses from that are that
- there is probably less ‘selling of email lists’ going on than we think
- I’m less interested in dubious internet sites than I used to be
- or (most likely) these days, your internet thing has to be offering me some real value if I’m going to consciously give you any of my data.
Not all providers let you use your own domain.
Not all providers deserve your business.
But then you need to do spam filtering for ages
If your mail server supports aliases, you can make one for each site you sign up for. Then if you start getting a bunch of spam, you can delete the alias and you will know which site sold your information.
This is the way.
What to do with that info tho, damage already done no?
Yes and no… say if you gave the email address lemmyworldthingy@sgarcnlsdomain.com when signin up and you start receiving garbage on it, you just delete the alias and move on.
The trick is that you can have several aliases go into the same inbox so you only have to check one place, but each thing is given its own IP making it easier to identify and filter culprits.I suppose you mean IP in the allegorical sense in terms of ip filtering to email filtering.
Its an interesting thought!
That was supposed to be ‘address’ as in email address, not sure how autocorrect figured that one.
You know not to trust that site with any more information. Once the alias is deleted, anything sent to it will result in a delivery failure and you won’t get any more spam from anyone they sold that address to.
disroot and autistici have been providing decentralised communication services (like email) free of cost for many years. They are both run by activists and survive on donations, and they don’t spy on you or get any money from your data. Also they run freedom-respecting software, so all their code is publicly auditable.
I was looking at Tuta after the whole proton CEO thing, but these look really interesting. Thanks
