Those are some great linked videos.

I agree with a lot of points in the video on trans-athletes. I wonder if the meta-study that I’ve been refering to was one of the studies mentioned, and there certainly needs to be more research into the topic to settle the matter for good. I think social and low stake competition should most certainly be non restricted especially for kids, the fact they are restricted in some places is obscene. But I’m still on the fence with professional and Olympic level sports. The part that currently holds me back from changing stance, is how many Olympic sports have either banned or heavily restricted participation. Perhaps they are in the wrong themselves but I suspect they are being cautious until more studies have confirmed one way or the other. Overall, I certainly don’t hold my view in high regard and I’m just waiting for more evidence, but like I said, anything other than professional or Olympic shouldn’t be restricted at all, any strength difference there is negligible.

With the guns part I agree with everything mentioned. I don’t think a free gun ownership system like what America has, is a smart idea. My country is very restrictive which is why I dislike the idea of completely banning them. Where I am, even the plastic toy guns were made illegal. Only if you live on a farm and need to protect livestock or produce, then you’re allowed to own some. Good thing is, no mass shootings here and only some gun crime. It would be nice if tough but fair licensing was more-so available, but nothing like America.

I’ll try substantiating the last paragraph without it getting too long. Fossil fuel bans are just not possible at the moment and even when it is, there will likely be some things we will never replace, even backup generators when black outs happen for hospitals. Making it really expensive and hard to acquire should be all that’s needed. Military for defence because I don’t think the world will be truely at peace for a while longer. Free-speech so ideas don’t go suppressed, but that doesn’t mean people have to respect that free-speech. Strict immigration to bring in valuable skills not just people (pronounced problem where I am). ‘PC’ culture ties into free speech but also reducing diversity hires (not requiring names and personal information in hiring to make such decisions truely unbias would be a better solution). Keeping some merit success with a socialist system to reward people to achieve more.

Yeah rules tend to be updated when new information is presented. Stereroids were also not banned once upon a time, because hardly any information about their use in sport existed, and when new information was presented it was promptly banned.

You may not care enough to present evidence to me, but how do you expect to sway the Olympics? Your rant is not going to change the Olympics policies so if you want to make the world a better place for you and your peers, find and cite evidence, maybe fund new studies to find convincing evidence to present to the Olympics and the greater world.

You cannot expect to change opinions when you have no evidence to back up what you claim. And you will also not convince people by throwing labels and insults around, you’ll only make the very people against you dig their heels in, which is the last thing you want. I don’t care what you call me, I care about evidence and so far you have failed to convince as a result.

Not everything is black and white, I’m against unfair competition as is the Olympics. That does not mean I’m against trans people, there is a substantial difference.

I didn’t, I cited the literal Olympics. I have cited medical studies, and I have defended my position where everyone then returns to insults and statements like this.

Unless you have evidence that what I said was incorrect, you are infact wrong. One, only ONE person has cited one study that is inconclusive and I congratulated them because at least they showed there is some conflicting research but you haven’t even bothered to try.

If you are going to throw your opinion around, at least back it up with weight. Cite studies, link articles, or form a proper argument, because if I can refute your claim before I’ve even had my morning coffee than you still have room to make a half decent point.

https://stillmed.olympics.com/media/Documents/Beyond-the-Games/Human-Rights/IOC-Framework-Fairness-Inclusion-Non-discrimination-2021.pdf

Sports decide themselves, of which world rowing and boxing have blanket bans. Athletics, cycling, swimming, rugby and cricket are bans if the transition was after puberty. Triathlon, tennis and archery requires testosterone testing. And all other sporting bodies are on a case by case basis.

That’s why we don’t see them because the Olympics themselves have said:

high-level organised sporting competitions - relies on a level playing field, where no athlete has an unfair and disproportionate advantage over the rest.

I’m tired of replying to everyone, please put more effort into your argument

So wait, what things make me a pathetic coward? Could you make a list?

And if it is only relating to fossil fuels, I’d wager 99.99% of the population doesn’t want fossil fuels to be banned without replacements or serious societal change. Does that make 99.99% of people also pathetic cowards?

Then who goes first? Do we all agree at once to stop using? Or will militaries be exempted because you and I both know that no government is sabotaging their own power.

How would country’s that export oil react do you think? Certain economies almost entirely depend on it, do they just cease to exist at once?

Would there be exceptions for agriculture or would some communities have to starve to death?

What about exemptions for building the replacing technology, or should we cease to use power at all and ration what remains?

There is more complexity to the issue you deem so simple to fix. If you had complete control of the world, how would you go about eliminating fossil fuels without being guillotined by 8 billion people?

No, I’m not, I’m comparing how so many commenters are unfriendly here to the point of insulting and abuse.

I know the right act the same and have treated me the same. Therefore I belong nowhere, not accepted from the left, not accepted from the right.

So I’m neither, cue being a centrist.

No, I simpily side with research. Full stop. That’s how opinions adapt, how people become better, learn and be wiser.

If you don’t adapt your beliefs over time than that is truely sad.

Don’t paint everyone with the same brush, lest someone paints you.

Right, so that second “women” should have been “trans-women” for clarifycation. I’ll edit that.

Did you misinterpret that on purpose?

I side with research

And what about my left wing opinions? Would the right wing accept me or would they be as friendly as you lot are?

It was simpily an argument for me being centrist and therefore legitimate centrist existing.

It clearly worked in demonstrating what a centrists opinions are like and no one has so far argued I fall on one side or the other.

I cited a study before that trans-women retain around 12% of the strength they had previously even with blockers in place. So it is still technically, not fair.

Although there may be more research that I’m reading about that someone metioned, in which case my opinion may change but the research is still somewhat inconclusive and requires more evidence.

Yeah I’m really starting to notice this exactly. It’s sad to think that you either disengage or get unwarranted abuse hurlded towards you from every direction.

Maybe just getting off the internet entirely is the better option.

I liked your reference of the Overton window though haha

Why is everyone so sharp with words here?

Should we stop pumping oil right this very minute? Do you think the world will be ready by 2050 to effectivly ban the sale of fossil fuel? We are yet to globally REDUCE carbon emissions, we’ve only decelerated so far and by a tiny amount. We are no where near ready to make the change. Unless you are willing to cause a massacre by shutting off the oil wells?

I want things to be better, you’re right. And we all play a part in improving it. Right now I actually work in solar power infanstructure, is that pathetic? I vote against fossil fuels, and I am happy my country is cutting off gas and forcing people to be more electric.

I have helped contribute to some of these other issues I have metioned also and donate and invest in the future.

If you can draw a conclusion on a person so quickly and determine them to be pathetic, then what are you doing that makes you so special? Because, unfortunately, there is only so much a single person can do.

Oh wow, I did not know that! For both points. It’s great to see more research, I skimmed a little but I’ll read it right after this comment.

I like the idea of athletes competing against one another purely to see who is best overall. But I’d be worried that could possibly be more discriminatory. Such as in bouldering there was recently a controversial issue with a short climber not being able to compete in some climbs due to certain starting holds being too far apart. So something like weight classes but that considers a lot more depending on the sport?

Thanks so much for your reply and your linked study! I’m really happy for comments like yours.

Not very helpful, why is that?

Which is very sad and I’m not for that.

The only point I was making was for fair competition in women’s sport, and broader still that centrist exist with non black and white opinions.

I believe we are as a society, getting better at accepting people. In my country we’re decently accepting I think, although there is still the intolerant person here and there. Overall I do hope one day everyone is accepting of everyone else.

Thanks for your thoughts though.

Could you quote me and break down your understanding of what I said?

I don’t necessarily feel mocked, are you trying to mock me?

Also you didn’t respond to the study still?

https://bmcgenomics.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12864-016-2462-3

The greatest researched gene for sprint times measures just less than a percent of influence at 0.92%

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2984550

The second greatest contributing gene related to strength and fast twitch responses ACE I/D, has so far inconclusive results.

I’d be interested in hearing if there are more genes I’m unaware about.

Yeah, stereroid usage is not fair across the board, which is why before competition in every sport it is already tested for. Although it does slip under the radar. Likewise in some sports trans-women are tested before competing such as in soccer, and there are quite a few that, unfortunately, has banned them from playing entirely.

I am only for fairness, not for exclusion. The ideal world in my opinion, would be fair to everybody.

I assumed being centrist was already clear.

Mudwrestle? I’m here to make a point, that not everything is back and white, left or right. But if you don’t want to discuss, fine by me. I didn’t insult you once so your insult is quite hypocritical and immature infact.