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      Let’s call it a cluster fuck that has been going on for 100s of years. And will continue well past your and my deaths.

      Then. We. Should. Stop. Arming. Israel.

      Because as it stands now, Western countries are not just complicit in genocide, they’re actively helping to perpetuate it. Your tax dollars are being used to exterminate an ethnic group. Mine too.

      If we were to ACTUALLY call it a clusterfuck and walk away, that would be BETTER than what we’re doing right now.

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          Israel was holding ~12k hostages held without charges or access to legal representation when Hamas took theirs on Oct 7, just after Israel had taken over al aqsa mosque on Oct 4.

          https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/4/israeli-settlers-storm-al-aqsa-mosque-complex-on-fifth-day-of-sukkot

          Hamas tried to trade those hostages the very next day. Israel refused to trade any Palestinian hostages. So Hamas refuses too. If you’d be honest, you’d admit that Israel doesnt want those hostages back. They’d much rather have a new flimsy reason to blow innocent civilians up and steal their land. And what was Israel doing stealing Al Aqsa mosque on the 4th? was that just a peaceful thing you think? Not intended to stoke conflict, just minding their own business, is that your story?

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          “Let’s call it a cluster fuck that has been going on for 100s of years. And will continue well past your and my deaths.”

          – You

          By your own logic, we should Israel deal with its own problems. Why does the West have to keep supplying them with weapons?

          Also, Israel’s actions since Oct 7 have exceeded tenfold the depravity of Hamas’s crimes on that date so it’s interesting how selective your sympathy is. Getting kidnapped or killed by Hamas is horrible, obviously, but can the same not be said about getting carpet bombed by Israel?

          USA went to war for 20years after 9/11

          Yeah because that was such a successful thing and definitely didn’t make things worse for all involved. It also totally didn’t kill far more civilians in the Middle East than the 9/11 attacks killed civilians in the US.

          Stop pretending that was some heroic thing and just admit that it was an act of revenge and collective punishment. Just like what Israel is doing right now.

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      Israel is founded on Settler-Colonialism of Palestine, it has a century long history in its current iteration. Just like the US genocide of indigenous peoples, Israelis are committing genocide against Palestinians and stealing their land. Equating them is to erase this very central fact, Israel cannot exist without genocide and Settler-Colonialism, while Palestine can. Trying to pretend there’s a deep, several century long history of the current fascist Israeli state is false.

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      Let’s call it a cluster fuck that has been going on for 100s of years

      Lets not, because you’re flat out lying about that, bangcrash. 100 years. Not hundreds. In the ~800 years of the ottoman empire this wasnt happening, and that empire ended in November 1922.

      Zionists like to lie about this history to make it seem like an intractable problem of ethnic hatred, but its self serving BS driven by 80 years of apartheid by Israel on the people living in that region, starting with the Zionist terrorism leading up to the Nakba.

      The UN needs to admit they royally effed up in creating Israel back in 1948, and walk that back. Zionist terrorists have no right to be known as an israeli state in 1948, and no right to treat human beings in this manner from then until today. Israel needs to be disolved and the Israelis sent back to Russia and Europe where they came from. 80 years is enough. the ongoing injustice and genocide needs to end before the Israelis kill every non-jew in the region.

      If the UN cannot or will not do that they are criminals themselves and should disolve in shame.

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          The Nakba was murderous land theft, and 80 years of murderous apartheid and human rights violations cant be defended. The terrorism and mass murder is a daily occurrence, and yet you whine about “ethnic cleansing” like Israel is some sort of victim.

          Restorative justice is possible, but the UN land plan was unjust and needs to be rescinded. I dont care if murderers and terrorists like it. GTFO.