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      In the case of marketing, it’s just considered an opinion, mostly because if anything like that is ever put forth to a Judge, there’s 900 odd ways to loophole it.

      “We meant our assholes, your honor; as open as they come.”

      “We meant uhm… accepting.”

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      A probably a bit political for this topic, but most companies are allowed to lie about most things. Only a few things that they’re not allowed to lie about.

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        and for those few things they’re not allowed to lie about they pull out every trick in the book to come as close to lying as possible without outright doing it.

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      Their official marketing is to call Windows 11 “the most secure version of Windows ever” or something along those lines. They definitely use “the most secure” in their marketing, but I think they do it in a way where it is only in reference to previous consumer versions of Windows if you actually parse out what is being said.

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    What happens when you favor marketing over anything else?

    You just lie, lie, lie, so many times that you actually believe your own shit

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    Most open to making money at the expense of security.

    "“What they were telling me was counterintuitive to everything I’d heard at Microsoft about ‘customer first,’” Harris said. “Now they’re telling me it’s not ‘customer first,’ it’s actually ‘business first.’”

    DiCola, Harris’ then-supervisor, told ProPublica the race to dominate the market for new and high-growth areas like the cloud drove the decisions of Microsoft’s product teams. “That is always like, ‘Do whatever it frickin’ takes to win because you have to win.’ Because if you don’t win, it’s much harder to win it back in the future. Customers tend to buy that product forever.”

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      Who in their right mind would ever think that any publicly traded company is consumer first? Their only goals are short term profit followed long term profits. Everything else is in pursuit of those two things.

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      enshitification cycle: First good for customers, then they abuse their customers in favour of their business customers, then they abuse those businesses to claw back everything for themselves.

      They are on step 2.

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      Most open for frustration. Most open for ads. Most open for taking away control from the user.

      Trust me, in a few years windows will be a monthly subscription, still filled with ads and no control over your own pc. Windows 10 will turn to a yearly subscription already. 30 dollars per year per pc for security updates. Office is already subscription based. Companies smell money, want to turn everything to a subscription.

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        Windows 360¹ will cost 30 bucks a year (adjusted for inflation) and will automatically upgrade you to the latest version of Windows as soon as it comes out. Additional benefits include improved security by blocking non-Store software and having your OS settings managed by Microsoft – Windows 360 will even automatically restore them if they should end up getting changed, e.g. if Recall somehow ends up disabled.

        ¹ Not to be confused with Windows 365, which is an entirely different thing.

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          So nice of them to manage my settings, even restore them when I changed any. Blocking non-store software is also great, forcing people to use the store is something Apple has done forever and totally doesn’t create a monopoly position and never restricts access or anything…

          Paying money to give them total control. Are you fucking kidding me. They can shove an entire mid-tower pc case up their asses, lube is only on a subscription base available (1 drop of lube for just 7,99 per month, or 3 drops for a premium subscription of just 18,99 per month!)

          These days I’d say Microsoft is getting even worse then Apple with extorting their customers.

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        I doubt microsoft will force consumers to pay, but that could happen to business.

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      I mean, there are open things about it. As in - TCP/IP is open. APIs to develop Windows programs are open.

      In the same way as Solaris, HP/UX, Digital Unix and something else were open. Except Sun would even send OS sources in addition to documentation to customers interested in optimizing something they’d do, or so I’ve heard.

      But the “most open” thing looks like 2003 “get the facts” style propaganda, except back then they had technical competencies, now it’s purely the oligopoly.

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        But the “most open” thing looks like 2003 “get the facts” style propaganda, except back then they had technical competencies, now it’s purely the oligopoly.

        Haha, perfect.

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    Bitch I can’t even find basic settings cuz they are so hidden in sub menus

    I’m no programmer or UX designer but I can imagine what a mess things are on the dev side

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      As an admin it gets so much worse. Twice a year your admin portal gets renamed, redesigned, merged with and/or split from another one, or removed, and all those changes are done halfway.
      Which means some settings are only on the old version and others only on the new. Then the old one is discontinued even though the new one doesn’t have all its functions, yet.
      So you completely rely on Powershell. But wait, there’s 2 incompatible versions of it now.

      I’m currently thinking about a career change, after reading in Microsoft’s official documentation that you need to install the new version of Powershell, import the beta version of several commandlets and then run a long script provided by them, only to keep every user on your org from creating their own Teams teams.
      And their newest feature is allowing every user to put in their credit card info and buy MS products on the company domain without running it by IT. It’s called “self service”, enabled by default, and you have to click on a slider to disable it individually for every. single. product. Microsoft. offers.

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          Middle management building a shadow IT. They’ll have their own company credit card for their department.

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        Jesus Christ.

        I’ve been doing linux admin and honestly I haven’t been looking back. My breaking point was Microsoft pushing a kb that rebooted domain controllers for no reason.

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          I still remember the update that sent domain controllers into a bootloop.
          That was fun!

          And the one that bluescreened all Windows servers.
          No, the other one!

          Oh, and the one that did an in-place-upgrade by itself, then locked your server cause it wasn’t licensed for the new OS version.

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            I love how this doesn’t even begin to cover bad kbs ms pushed out. The fact that windows admins think testing updates before deploying them is a routine operation that should always be done boggles my mind.

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            Oh, and the one that did an in-place-upgrade by itself, then locked your server cause it wasn’t licensed for the new OS version.

            Wasn’t that primarily an issue with a third party software? And the server shouldn’t be locked by now since I believe you get a trial period of a few months. Our servers didn’t upgrade to 2025 but we use WSUS.

            Or are you talking about something older?

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              The third party software did exactly what it was designed to do:
              Push security updates automatically, while holding back feature updates for testing.
              This is standard operating procedure. Security updates are not supposed to change anything about how a server works, so the risk of breakage is very low.
              And they need to be installed as fast as possible, to patch holes that are now known to every attacker.

              Microsoft were the ones who pushed out a new Server OS installation and labelled it as security update.

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        And their newest feature is allowing every user to put in their credit card info and buy MS products on the company domain without running it by IT. It’s called “self service”, enabled by default, and you have to click on a slider to disable it individually for every. single. product. Microsoft. offers.

        LMAO that is a special kind of pathetic

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          It’s maddening, cause it’s so blindingly obvious what went on in their minds when they implemented it that way.
          “If just 0.1% of the users do that, it’ll make us $XX million. Can you design a popup for it that we can show all users when they open Teams?”

          It tells me as an admin that the software I manage as my career isn’t designed to be useful anymore. It’s only designed to extract the maximum amount of money.
          It also tells me it’s time to get off this ride, cause Microsoft is evidently pushing towards a future where they administer the system, not me.