Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful youā€™ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cutā€™nā€™paste it into its own post ā€” thereā€™s no quota for posting and the bar really isnā€™t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many ā€œesotericā€ right wing freaks, but thereā€™s no appropriate sneer-space for them. Iā€™m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged ā€œculture criticsā€ who write about everything but understand nothing. Iā€™m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. Theyā€™re inescapable at this point, yet I donā€™t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldnā€™t be surgeons because they didnā€™t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I canā€™t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

Last weekā€™s thread

(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this)

  • YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    10
    Ā·
    16 hours ago

    How sneerable is the entire ā€œinfodynamicsā€ field? Because it seems like it should be pretty sneerable. The first referenced paper on the ā€œsecond law of infodynamicsā€ seems to indicate that information has some kind of concrete energy which brings to mind that experiment where they tried to weigh someone as they died to identify the mass of the human soul. Also it feels like a gross misunderstanding to describe a physical system as gaining or losing information in the Shannon framework since unless the total size of the possibility space is changing thereā€™s not a change in total information. Like, all strings of 100 characters have the same level of information even though only a very few actually mean anything in a given language. Iā€™m not sure it makes sense to talk about the amount of information in a system increasing or decreasing naturally outside of data loss in transmission? IDK Iā€™m way out of my depth here but it smells like BS and the limited pool of citations doesnā€™t build confidence.

    • aio@awful.systems
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      10
      Ā·
      edit-2
      15 hours ago

      I read one of the papers. About the specific question you have: given a string of bits s, theyā€™re making the choice to associate the empirical distribution to s, as if s was generated by an iid Bernoulli process. So if s has 10 zero bits and 30 one bits, its associated empirical distribution is Ber(3/4). This is the distribution which theyā€™re calculating the entropy of. I have no idea on what basis they are making this choice.

      The rest of the paper didnā€™t make sense to me - they are somehow assigning a number N of ā€œinformation statesā€ which can change over time as the memory cells fail. I honestly have no idea what itā€™s supposed to mean and kinda suspect the whole thing is rubbish.

      Edit: after reading the authorā€™s quotes from the associated hype article Iā€™m 100% sure itā€™s rubbish. Itā€™s also really funny that they didnā€™t manage to catch the COVID-19 research hype train so theyā€™ve pivoted to the simulation hypothesis.

      • YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        14
        Ā·
        11 hours ago

        Oh the author here is absolutely a piece of work.

        Hereā€™s an interview where heā€™s talking about the biblical support for all of this and the ancient Greek origins of blah blah blah.

        I canā€™t definitely predict this guyā€™s career trajectory, but one of those cults where they have to wear togas is not out of the question.