• Snowclone@lemmy.world
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    4 days ago

    I think you can’t approch it from a party line issue. People want to see it in fact as action for the candidates, and at least right now Biden dropped the ball on Isreal badly. He should have put harsh levers on Isreal to get them out of Gaza quickly, Ukraine is a more complicated problem, but the US should focus more on ending conflicts quickly rather than let them drag on forever. But that takes real policy and leadership.

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      Neither war is happening on US soil (or between the US and any country involved) and the US and Israel have had an alliance – which will remained unchanged if not strengthened in the Trump-Vance administration – spanning decades. In addition, Congress allocates funds to send to other countries and the President executes the orders he is given. Biden could’ve vetoed the aid bills I suppose, but there is a good chance that they would’ve overridden his veto. He could’ve impounded the funds, but I’m not really sure how strictly-speaking legal that even is, and Democratic administrations face pressure from both sides to follow norms (i.e. I wouldn’t be surprised if Biden’s own party members would’ve impeached and removed him given just cause for doing so).

      But, as per usual, people like yourself expect the impossible (world peace) under Democratic administrations and yet many of them will turn around and think any war that Trump starts is fully justified and support it bigly until the next Democrat (if there is one) gets in there.

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        In addition, Congress allocates funds to send to other countries and the President executes the orders he is given. Biden could’ve vetoed the aid bills I suppose

        Biden literally bypassed congress to send more aid than what they had approved multiple times.

        I hate the way liberals just shamelessly lie about this stuff, you don’t even have the excuse of the election anymore.

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          The article you linked, did you even read it? That is approval of weapons sales, not sending them more money.

          Congress allocates funds in our government.

          I hate the way liberals just shamelessly lie about this stuff

          I hate the way label obsessed “leftists” don’t know basic shit about how the government works, and spend all of their time online talking out of their ass and name-calling.

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            That is approval of weapons sales, not sending them more money.

            And that matters why? We shouldn’t be giving them aid or selling them weapons?

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              That’s right, just accuse me of lying and post ap news articles that don’t disprove anything I said, and then when it turns out you were wrong…words no longer matter!

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                You’re arbitrarily focusing on something Biden doesn’t control while intentionally ignoring the stuff he’s very clearly and intentionally done to materially support Israel. That’s obviously disingenuous. Suggesting that the problem is he just doesn’t have the power to do anything differently is a lie.

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                  Suggesting that the problem is he just doesn’t have the power to do anything differently is a lie.

                  I wrote about things he conceivably could’ve done differently. I also stated some possible reasons why he didn’t do those things. How is that a lie?

                  If a president truly wanted to stop supporting Israel, they absolutely could do it, but it would come with repercussions. Either Biden did not want to face those repercussions, or did not want to stop supporting Israel. In his case, it’s probably both.

                  Believe it or not, some people are still outraged over the terrorist attack that occurred in October 2023. The US had a similar scale attack on 9/11/01 and launched two lengthy ass wars over it.

                  I don’t support this shit and think it’s an overreaction similar to how the “war on terror” was, but there was no choice to be made in this election cycle about this issue.

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                    I wrote about things he conceivably could’ve done differently. I also stated some possible reasons why he didn’t do those things. How is that a lie?

                    Because you completely ignored the stuff he actively did to make the problem worse. It’s like saying, like, “Sure, Ted Bundy could’ve been more supportive of women by donating or volunteering for various causes, but he was busy and short on cash. Sure, he could’ve done better.” It’s absolutely ridiculous. The lie is in the way you frame it. But Ted Bundy only killed 36 women while the weapons Joe Biden went out of his way to give to Israel have killed orders of magnitude more. So what you’re saying is even more absurd that that.

                    Absolutely inexcusable genocide apologia.

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                    The only reasonable comparison between 9/11 and 10/7 is both the US and Israeli governments had intelligence forewarning them of the attack (Egypt warned Israel three days prior, as reported by the times of Israel) and they both - at best - chose to let it happen.