Microsoft clearly isn’t bothered that it’s automatically starting up Edge on people’s PC and then trying to trick them into importing their Chrome data. That’s not too surprising though since Microsoft has been pulling tricks like this for more than four years now.

Microsoft’s behavior here makes many people distrust Edge, Windows 11, and even the company’s AI efforts.

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    Windows in general is just fucking hostile to use. Everything they do now just seems like they are spitting in your face and laughing at you.

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      Fr, i remember windows taking longer to setup,Some Linux Distros only rlly had issues with secureboot(I turn on secure boot so windows doesn’t freak out) and everything was ready.

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    Linux Mint isn’t perfect, but at least it’s not constantly trying to steal my shit or force something on me that I don’t want.

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      Games is still what keeps me on the absolute shit show that is Windows. Proton has come a long way in solving this problem but there are still enough issues especially with new games that I have to have a Windows partition.

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        I ripped the bandaid off last month, there’s definitely fiddling and hdr is still in early days (works in gamescope, but found that can have issues with my nvidia card), I’ve been playing veilguard on proton ge for the last week, and proton experimental supports dlss frame gen now which is huge for me.

        It’s definitely in the good enough state imo, and it seems to rapidly be getting better.

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          Alright, I don’t have anything capable of HDR so that is no worries. No (intrusive) anticheat, no game pass. I’m sure a few random games have issues. Doesn’t sound like it should be a big deal though. Thank you

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            No problem, most games I’ve tried run without much fuss just with proton enabled. For others, protondb is great (pointed in the right direction to get Jade Empire running) or fiddling with settings yourself, gamescope helps a lot even if I’ve found it has some issues with nvidia cards (had games freeze with hdr for example), more of my issues are probably related to having an ultrawide tbh.

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        I’m mentally preparing for the switch. Would you mind naming some of the games keeping you on Windows?

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          Besides games that actively block linux for their anti-cheat, there aren’t many games that don’t work ootb on linux.
          You can always check for specific games on protondb.

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            Thanks! I didn’t even think to look for a compatibility list. I’m quick to check them for emulators, but it didn’t even cross my mind

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          I’m not the original commenter.

          However any game with invasive anticheat tends to be allergic to Linux.

          Microsoft game pass has really good value that isn’t supported on Linux. (I’m told the streaming stuff did work but I haven’t personally confirmed)

          I have family that likes to play fortnite with me and that didn’t work last time I looked into it.

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            Thanks for the help. I’m not fond of invasive a anticheat as it is, played like 10 minutes of Fortnite when it was a survival game, and I’m sure I can use the high seas to get around game pass. I’ll have to check a couple of specific games, but I think I might be pretty good to go

            This may be a silly question, but as far as online games that work, it shouldn’t matter if my friends are on Windows, right?

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              This may be a silly question, but as far as online games that work, it shouldn’t matter if my friends are on Windows, right?

              It shouldn’t matter, Linux and Windows and Mac are all compatible ‘PC’ platforms. As long as the game is supported/runs, you should be good.

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              This may be a silly question, but as far as online games that work, it shouldn’t matter if my friends are on Windows, right?

              For the most part it’s fine like the other comment mentioned.

              However there are a few edge cases like Borderlands 2 that is like pulling teeth to make work.

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      I honestly wish I liked mint because there’s such a robust community for it, but I really can’t stand it. My first Linux experience a decade back or so was Ubuntu and it felt -right- like android. I liked it very much because it did all the things I needed, and it felt good to use, like something I was familiar with (android!). The power file management was an absolute bonus and I just love it so much. But it’s based on iOS allegedly? I fucking hate iOS on mobile but maybe it’s the macOS? Idk. It’s not at all like iPhone iOS at least.

      And I haven’t found the same experience on any other distro despite trying several, so here’s me back to Ubuntu every time… because it feels good to use.

      And “Ubuntu bad because reasons” and I get that for not me, but I don’t have the energy to figure out how to make Debian do what Ubuntu just already does. And the really niche distros I’ve tried idk how to make work for my needs, as noob.

      At least it isn’t windows…

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        I’m not trying to bash here, but sometimes I wonder what people actually do with their OSs.

        I fire up software that I use, it would be quite consistent across any compatible OS, and we’re ahead of the days when multi screens didn’t work etc.

        I’m on mint but any easy to install linux or even windows would give me the same workflow (after dealing with their bullshit ofc) except the terminal, and some other crap effectively. But on Linux? Smooth as a mirror, or what am I missing?

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        I used Ubuntu until bad because reasons. Tried multiple distros but no other DE felt quite as good until I tried pop_OS!. It is supposed to be some gaming oriented OS based on Ubuntu but I love it because of the great window management they have.

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          how does pop handle touchscreen devices, do you know? The only machine I have left that I’d install something different on is my laptop, and its touchscreen but fully discretionary. The others are a server which I’m not touching because PITA, and a shitty ram-deficient thing I use for watching Plex in my bedroom, but it doesn’t run anything well at all for whatever reason - I tried antixlinux, mint, and a few other lightweight distros, and they all ran like shit. Probably failing hardware, idk.

          Ubuntu handles touchscreen and hdmi output ok, it seems, but that laptop is still windows for now because idk if I need it to be windows for my next job… I guess I can reinstall it, since keys are hardware encoded now… for that device I don’t -really- need good file management, just compatibility.

          I’ve thought about pop, but never really looked into it because nobody ever, like, recommends it for anything I guess? Like I never hear about it…

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            If you’re concerned about reinstalling, grab another drive and swap it. You’ll be able to play to your heart’s content and still swap back at a moments notice if you need your windows install again.

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      Haha, I was going to post this very meme.

      I finally moved completely over from Chrome to Firefox this weekend. Fuck Edge, and fuck Chrome.

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    MS isn’t bothered because the vast majority of people don’t give a shit. “Many” is doing a lot of lifting in that paragraph. Its probably more accurate to say “…a few people distrust Edge…”

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      That’s a shame since literally everyone should distrust Edge, given Microsoft’s history with browsers (and everything else). I don’t think anyone matches Microsoft’s caviler attitude of “We know there are hundreds of gaping security holes that allow attackers to take full admin control of your computer, but we’re just going to mark those bugs as will-not-fix and blame the users when something goes wrong.”

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    Funny because Microsoft also recently dropped support for Firefox for Xbox GamePass Cloud Gaming on Android. I say “dropped support” but really they stopped letting you use the purpose built app and are now forcing you to use browser but the only “supported” browsers are Chrome and Edge. Firefox works, but they forcefully disconnected me after 5 minutes so it’s not a matter of compatibility. They just want that traffic going through Edge ideally but they do still support Chrome, for now.

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      As someone that often ends up doing a lot of web development, Safari is the rough modern equivalent of Internet Explorer.

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        How so?

        I use Firefox most of the time, but if I really need to stretch the battery life I’ll use Safari. It seems significantly faster and more power efficient than anything else I’ve used. If it had better plugin support, it’d be my daily driver. Can’t say I’ve ever had issues with it rendering a page.

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        I’m a web developer but I absolutely love Safari. I seriously don’t understand the hate. From an end-user perspective it’s sooo much less clunky too.

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      Mac ain’t that bad, I just wish apple didn’t make repairs hard and stuff.
      Edit:Ios and Ipados and Tvos kinda sucks bcs they are very locked down,For some reason mac (Which is unix-like like linux) is not locked down, its only locked down to the hardware thats works with it.

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        I agree with you there, but after being Android and Windows for years, being in the Apple ecosystem feels like a breath of fresh air