• simplymath@lemmy.world
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    Nah. monarchies were largely ended by the Napoleonic wars and world war 1. It’s ahistorical to say Democracy was earned through electoralism. It also just makes no sense.

    The Spanish revolution was definitely a bloody conflict. So was the foundation of Yugoslavia and it’s NATO backed dissolution. So was Finnish independence from Russia. Or Ukrainian. Or Polish. Or Estonian or Latvian.

    Switzerland was founded by war too. Germany’s democracy was imposed by an occupying force-- as was Japan’s.

    France murdered their entire royal family. British India faced a decades long insurgency and worker strikes. The Magna Carta was signed after the king was fucking kidnapped.

    America’s founding myth is centered on a symbolic action to destroy private property (the Boston tea party).

    The only country (that I can think of) that voted for it’s democracy was Canada and that was only after a genocide of the indigenous population and centuries of colonial rule.

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      I’m not talking about becoming a democracy, I’m talking about *improving *and modernizing their democracies. As well as, well, voting for and enacting all the policy examples you listed

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          And do you think it was the bombers that wrote this into law, or elected politicians?

          edit: and why did other countries manage to get it into law a lot faster than the US?

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            Also, I need a source about other countries enacting this before the US. In the 1880s, there wasn’t exactly a plethora of Democratic governments anywhere. Germany was a brand new idea and so was Italy. France encompassed parts of Spain and Sweden, which was itself an empire with a military dictator. The UK is still a monarchy with colonies that want to secede (namely Jamaica) and the Netherlands is too. Swedish people didn’t have surnames yet–they adopted the last name of their employer.

            Eastern Europe had serfdom and antisemitic laws were the norm.

            I would totally believe the UK got it first, but not without a mass mobilization of working class people.

            Seriously, what are you talking about?

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              Well, the US only enacted it in 1937

              So I only have basically all of Europe off the top of my head

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            I think the law is irrelevant without a mass movement. You simply won’t get the law without the mass movement.

            You can’t get from where we are to working class liberation without passing through working class struggle.

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              Sure. Mass movement, politicians, pen, paper, law

              Leave one of those out and it probably won’t work