We’re not doing a split over it because as the admins have said we don’t defederate except from porn and open fascist instances.
Now could Hexbear throw a shit-fit and defederate from us? That I could see happening easily. There are numerous drama loving types there and there was that one big thread accusing us baselessly of bigotry because someone got moderated and took it personally to the point of stirring up trouble and calling names as well as for defederation.
I mean just looking at the comically ridiculous struggle sessions hexbears start among themselves it’s almost amazing it hasn’t happened already.
Warning, minor criticism incoming: There are far too many there that are given far too much ear from their admins in ways that further pointless and counterproductive in-fighting over nothings that exemplifies the do-nothing, always bickering western left. It’s my second favorite instance after this one I want to be clear, I like a lot of the people there and I’m glad it exists but I do have my problems with it. People accuse MLs of being authoritarian (and so we are) and yet it’s not us but the left unity instance that is constantly having people appeal to the authorities in the hierarchy (ironic) to settle this or that little tiff or disagreement and to impose sweeping changes on others and communities and so on as a result of someone calling to the admins with a convincing sob sorry or whatever. I mean look at the current struggle they have going on over their changes to their shitliberalssay type communities. Just a total disconnect from the masses of their site including long-time users who love that stuff. It’s kind of funny to me but also kind of sad. As the old saying goes, it’s a land of contrasts that Hexbear.
Now could Hexbear throw a shit-fit and defederate from us? That I could see happening easily. There are numerous drama loving types there and there was that one big thread accusing us baselessly of bigotry because someone got moderated and took it personally to the point of stirring up trouble and calling names as well as for defederation.
Was that about Lemmy.ml as well? Apparently, they saw Nutomic’s transphobic remarks, and saw personal issues on age-of-consent views held by a mod named Davel, and was rantin’ on and about that
As for calling names and stirring up trouble, yeah, they can be a handful
I mean just looking at the comically ridiculous struggle sessions hexbears start among themselves it’s almost amazing it hasn’t happened already.
That’s a Chapo thing, and I think it prolly did
People accuse MLs of being authoritarian (and so we are) and yet it’s not us but the left unity instance that is constantly having people appeal to the authorities in the hierarchy (ironic) to settle this or that little tiff or disagreement and to impose sweeping changes on others and communities and so on as a result of someone calling to the admins with a convincing sob sorry or whatever.
Yeah, you have to remember, these western leftists came from an exodus off r/chapotraphouse, a banned dirtbag leftist subreddit based around an edgy left-wing podcast, and brought their chaotic energy as well onto chapo.chat, now known as Hexbear.net.
I guess this appeal to authority is overcompensation for their historic chaotic brosocialist vibes…
Ours is the Marxist position which seeks the complete abolition of prostitution and other forms of sexual exploitation including pornography. Their position is not that.
Writing on hexbear, if you don’t want to get as many people jumping down your throat, it’s good to use the term that is closer to technically accurate, “the porn industry,” since exhibitionists do exist. That still doesn’t cover it either because there are various sorts of exploitative porn production outside of “the porn industry” but if you err on the side of rejecting acceptable practices rather than accepting unacceptable ones, they’ll call you a “SWERF” or a puritan or whatever happens to come to their mind at the moment.
And what’s funny is, they have this whole meme over there from Matt Christmen about treats. About western imperial core liberals being concerned about access to treats and it’s not untrue. But then they take this view of women that’s essentially treat-based.
That is access to pornography is a treat for their largely while male base, access to prostitutes are a treat for their aforementioned base. So they seek out thinking on this, bad liberal feminism and choose that over Marxist feminism because it allows them to enjoy their sexual exploitation treats without feeling bad or needing to change or do self reflection. And it also allows some of those exploited to deceive and delude themselves into thinking they’re not exploited which is also a compelling thing as who likes feeling like that? The common refrain of the exploited worker at the bottom is they’re just working their way up, they have an angle they’re going for, a side-hustle, they’ll be out of here soon and it’s a cope there and a cope from some of the apologists who’ve been involved in it here. Much as women lie to themselves about being sexually assaulted to avoid confronting the uncomfortable reality, there are those who lie about this form of sexual exploitation.
Consent is term that refers to the exercise of free will, which is an idealist concept. No one consented to being born, so no one fully consents to anything else that happens either.
You can conclude from there that all forms of exploitation are fine because consent didn’t exist anyway, or you can leave it in the trash.
Philosophical gymnastics divorced from grounded materialism that leave us with “nothing is real, everything is permitted” nonsense don’t have utility in Marxist discussion.
Sorry about the sass, I think it’s a topic that sets me off.
It’ll be over sex work
And we already have a Hoxha
We’re not doing a split over it because as the admins have said we don’t defederate except from porn and open fascist instances.
Now could Hexbear throw a shit-fit and defederate from us? That I could see happening easily. There are numerous drama loving types there and there was that one big thread accusing us baselessly of bigotry because someone got moderated and took it personally to the point of stirring up trouble and calling names as well as for defederation.
I mean just looking at the comically ridiculous struggle sessions hexbears start among themselves it’s almost amazing it hasn’t happened already.
Warning, minor criticism incoming: There are far too many there that are given far too much ear from their admins in ways that further pointless and counterproductive in-fighting over nothings that exemplifies the do-nothing, always bickering western left. It’s my second favorite instance after this one I want to be clear, I like a lot of the people there and I’m glad it exists but I do have my problems with it. People accuse MLs of being authoritarian (and so we are) and yet it’s not us but the left unity instance that is constantly having people appeal to the authorities in the hierarchy (ironic) to settle this or that little tiff or disagreement and to impose sweeping changes on others and communities and so on as a result of someone calling to the admins with a convincing sob sorry or whatever. I mean look at the current struggle they have going on over their changes to their shitliberalssay type communities. Just a total disconnect from the masses of their site including long-time users who love that stuff. It’s kind of funny to me but also kind of sad. As the old saying goes, it’s a land of contrasts that Hexbear.
Was that about Lemmy.ml as well? Apparently, they saw Nutomic’s transphobic remarks, and saw personal issues on age-of-consent views held by a mod named Davel, and was rantin’ on and about that
As for calling names and stirring up trouble, yeah, they can be a handful
That’s a Chapo thing, and I think it prolly did
Yeah, you have to remember, these western leftists came from an exodus off r/chapotraphouse, a banned dirtbag leftist subreddit based around an edgy left-wing podcast, and brought their chaotic energy as well onto chapo.chat, now known as Hexbear.net.
I guess this appeal to authority is overcompensation for their historic chaotic brosocialist vibes…
What are the respective positions on sex work?
Ours is the Marxist position which seeks the complete abolition of prostitution and other forms of sexual exploitation including pornography. Their position is not that.
Writing on hexbear, if you don’t want to get as many people jumping down your throat, it’s good to use the term that is closer to technically accurate, “the porn industry,” since exhibitionists do exist. That still doesn’t cover it either because there are various sorts of exploitative porn production outside of “the porn industry” but if you err on the side of rejecting acceptable practices rather than accepting unacceptable ones, they’ll call you a “SWERF” or a puritan or whatever happens to come to their mind at the moment.
And what’s funny is, they have this whole meme over there from Matt Christmen about treats. About western imperial core liberals being concerned about access to treats and it’s not untrue. But then they take this view of women that’s essentially treat-based.
That is access to pornography is a treat for their largely while male base, access to prostitutes are a treat for their aforementioned base. So they seek out thinking on this, bad liberal feminism and choose that over Marxist feminism because it allows them to enjoy their sexual exploitation treats without feeling bad or needing to change or do self reflection. And it also allows some of those exploited to deceive and delude themselves into thinking they’re not exploited which is also a compelling thing as who likes feeling like that? The common refrain of the exploited worker at the bottom is they’re just working their way up, they have an angle they’re going for, a side-hustle, they’ll be out of here soon and it’s a cope there and a cope from some of the apologists who’ve been involved in it here. Much as women lie to themselves about being sexually assaulted to avoid confronting the uncomfortable reality, there are those who lie about this form of sexual exploitation.
My position is Kollontai position, unproductive work has to be abolished 👍
https://www.marxists.org/archive/kollonta/1921/prostitution.htm
either that or meat
Apparently, they’re banned…
Consent is term that refers to the exercise of free will, which is an idealist concept. No one consented to being born, so no one fully consents to anything else that happens either.
Sure, that’s a take.
You can conclude from there that all forms of exploitation are fine because consent didn’t exist anyway, or you can leave it in the trash.
Philosophical gymnastics divorced from grounded materialism that leave us with “nothing is real, everything is permitted” nonsense don’t have utility in Marxist discussion.
Sorry about the sass, I think it’s a topic that sets me off.