I know these federated communities exist as well as raddle, but it still seems like most people will stay on toxic and corporate-run platforms like reddit or Twitter. Iām far from perfect myself and I still use reddit sometimes, especially for more niche communities, but when it comes to ideologically strong communities like the anarchist ones, it just feels wrong that the majority still hang out on reddit. Or you know, moving to something like Bsky when Twitter became too toxic but which is still run by a large, for-profit corporation (if they moved in the first place). What are your thoughts? Is there any justification for this?
And I said thereās plenty of other decades with āmisunderstandingsā?
And of fucking course the 20s and 30s are the primary focus because thatās the period with the last revolutionary potential which MLs squandered to build Capitalism again.
No, an affinity group is an affinity group a bunch of admins is something else, but can also be valid.
Thereās plenty of scenarios where anarchists take decisions without voting. Again, you donāt get to declare by fiat what is a āmajor decisionā. But Iām glad youāre self-amused at least.
Nonense.
Iām pretty certain youāre a Marxist-Leninist, so you (critically?) support the usual suspects of USSR and PRC. Probably also Cuba and if youāre extreme enough North Korea. Am I wrong?
Thatās not a naturalistic fallacy. Thatās me pointing out that this way of acting is obvious when you donāt decide by fiat why something is āmajor decisionā for others. Iām also pointing out potential hypocrisy.
No, I didnāt say that doing this justifies it. Thatās bad uncharitable reading on your part to claim a fallacy. Iāve actually done āvoting on every banā so Iām familiar with how well it works. Have you?
Just for the record, do tell, what experience do you have running an instance or a comm?
Do you know that for sure? Did you check when slrpnk defederated hexbear?
Again, why do you think you can declare by fiat what is a major decision?
It certainly is. Again, do you know when such instances were blocked comparative to the life of the acting instance?
Just because you disagree what is a āmajor decisionā for other groups of people you donāt belong to, doesnāt mean you are right. The impact of the decision and who gets to vote on it is determined by the people most affected by it. Thatās the core anarchist principle you donāt seem to understand.
If you skip over what I say, you will end up making us go in circles. The next thing I wrote: āI am of course not saying āthe only things are from the 1920sā, but that this is a primary focus. And when asked about the time periods you think of as primary, they popped up. Full circle, lol.ā
Then acknowledge what I said before this and that you skipped over: āRight so they are anarchist instances. And they make important decisions about federation by fiat of a couple admins. And that is very funny for anarchists to do. Inventing scenarios that didnāt happen to say how they are reasonable isā¦ not relevant. In many ways you implicitly acknowledge how silly it is, because none of your examples are, āa couple admins just decide itā, instead you talk about affinity group subsets.ā
Yes of course there are. This is not a real response to anything I have said. We have already long established that this is about making site-wide censorship decisions re: federation, not literally everything. That is just another implicit straw man.
I think, of course, that is it obvious that a site-wide censorship decision is an important one that it is very funny for an anarchist instance to decide via a couple admins.
I do get to say, by fiat, what I think is a major decision. And I think itās actually pretty obviously a major decision, which is why despite being 3-4 comments deep we still have to talk about things like āThereās plenty of scenarios where anarchists take decisions without votingā.
Yesnsense.
āI expect you to be able to explain this without my input, as you are so certain, right?ā
I do get to decide my opinions by āfiatā, lol. Got the thought police in here. Why are you copying my terminology to use it inappropriately for other situations?
But okay, I will accept that what you meant was that it was obvious. I will simply disagree (for the 5th time), because I think it is obvious that site-wide censorship is obviously a significant decision.
My point, which I will say was not obvious, when it comes to voting on every ban, was that it would be better to overcorrect in the opposite decision.
I have experience with both. Itās thankless, isnāt it?
slrpnk did not defederate from hexbear. It blocked hexbear without announcement, by fiat of its main admin. It confirmed this blocking/ādefedereationā in August last year. This was not something discussed nor presented, lol. Itās just one admin doing what they would like.
lmao there it is again.
A censorship decision is of course major, it is about who your instanceās users can interact with via your website. If your federated social media website is anything at all, it is about users and how they interact, what they post, etc.
And again, non-anarchist instances have done this. Itās very very very funny that anarchists ones donāt.
It is painfully obviously not. An admin quietly implementing a decision to block after the instance existed and then letting people know this is how it was last year is not in any way an anarchist collective where everyoneās just agreeing to those pre-existing bylaws by joining. It is just a website with an admin making the decision on their own.
Uh yeah?
I think this straw manning thing might be a habit.
Of course that is literally not the case here, is it? Or did slrpnk vote to block/defederate?
The core anarchist principle that nobody gets to judge who is anarchist unless they are a member of that particular anarchist group? I would love to see that core principle justified. Please show me your sources!
This discussion is getting tiring and fragmented and going nowhere. I will again reiterate that anarchist instances doesnāt mean that the admins always have the time to take the effort to sort them out in the most anarchistic way possible. Therefore some decisions will be taken as obvious and done directly to protect the instance members. Many anarchists will consider a tankie-haven like hexbear as valid an instance to block without further discussion as much as exploding-heads. This is obviously accepted given the lack of outcry by their members. Thereās plenty of ways to handle these decisions and your inability to consider them in favour of trying to goad me with it being āfunnyā just betrays either immaturity and complete inexperience modding large communities, or that youāre just trolling and Iām inclined to think of the latter.
The arguments you make in this thread and your insistence about the 20s betrays you as a Marxist-Leninist, but feel free to tell me Iām actually wrong and I would be surprised. Stranger things have happened. However as an ML, you have scant understanding of how anarchists work and therefore itās impossible to take seriously your moderation suggestions as coming from an anarchist perpective.
Given that I think you seem to just be trolling to amuse yourself, you are a waste of time to engage with as thereās nothing constructive to be gained by reading you try to goad and gotcha me endlessly.
Because it is mostly a series of straw men coming from you at this point and an aversion to replying to what I say instead.
And thereās another! āThe most anarchistic way possibleā. If only someone here had said that.
You are now telling stories instead of acknowledging it was one admin making a decision with no discussion or feedback, lmao. Just be direct and to the point if you donāt like things to meander or become tiring.
That is certainly true! But it does not make it less funny and absurd.
Goad you? I said it right off the bat as a one-off observation and it has snowballed because you are not being direct.
Or maybe I just think it is funny and at odds with anarchistic thought.
āI expect you to be able to explain this without my input, as you are so certain, right?ā
This is a topic that is entirely your deviation by the way.
I agree that this is a silly conversation, but this is because you leave a pile of inconsistencies and illogic and guesswork and evasion at my feet and say, āhere is my counterargumentā, and I have to say, āwow look at all this nonsenseā and then say exactly what is wrong with it. It is the opposite of trolling, I am trying to take you seriously. You arenāt making it easy.
Yawn. More of the same. MLs claiming they understand anarchism better than anarchists and proceeding to lecture. Your argumentation method is built to be exhausting instead of constructive and I have no mood for it. Goodbye.
Iāll let you have the last worse I guess