• phdepressed@sh.itjust.works
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      The “center” has run to and supported her so they’re getting what they want. If the left wants anything you have to get in the tent first. There’s a reason Bernie ran in the Democratic primary. Keep our democracy and work on shifting left via primaries and ballot measures. Otherwise we’ve got an R dictatorship and I’m not rich enough or white enough to deal with that.

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        25 days ago

        We’re already in the tent. In the back. In the “I assume they will vote D” seats.

        And we will this time. (At least, I will.) While D cheerfully becomes the new conservative party and R becomes/remains the batshit crazy party.

        Somehow the Republicans inviting Trump and the racists to take over had the net effect of pulling D to the right.

        “They don’t have a home anymore,” said Walz.

        The people who no longer have a home are progressives. R made their own fucking bed, but the Democrat leadership kept the light on for them, so they will be OK.

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          Most of .ml and hexbear and other “tankies” are vocally saying they’re going to vote someone else like de la cruz or west (or not at all). All of those same people can’t respond to the fact that if they want third party viability then need to 1)make sure voting remains a thing (aka vote harris this election)and 2) work to get something other than ftfp voting and work hard to get progressives in the primary3) don’t expect quick change because the system is set up to maintain a status quo which means a lot of willpower is needed for changes.

          1. is obvious I think. Palestinian genocide should not be supported by our country but Harris has at least talked willingness to pull netanyahu back somewhat. Rs want to let netanyahu be further unhinged in his genocide, let putin commit a Ukrainian genocide, then start a new one at home starting with the Trans and quickly spreading to other lgbtq, Latinos and whatever the outgroup of the hour is.

          2. basically the main driver behind this two party divide. RCV is why Alaska, home of Sarah Palin has a democratic house representative. I know people talk about other systems too, what I know is just about anything is better than the FTFP we currently have.

          3. Before '08 politicians hadn’t seriously considered M4A. Now what we got, the ACA/Obamacare hasn’t been good but is a hell of a lot better than what we had before.

          Better than what we had is basically the aim. Rs and billionaires have been playing that game for themselves since before Reagan and are why we’re in a sea of shit. We’re not going to magically fly out of the shit into a socialist utopia, it is a long slog back to a shore of reason then trekking to somewhere better. All I’m saying is voting can’t be the lone basis of fixing our system but is a bare minimum to keep a system in place. A revolution is only nice on paper and it’s just as likely the “bad guys” win.