• Ephoron@lemmy.kde.social
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    2 hours ago

    threatening to let conservatives further mangle the country when you have a progressive alternative is selfish and incredibly narrow-minded.

    And how exactly is not voting doing that when…

    the democrats are already winning the votes of young and decided voters

    Either the Democrats are comfortably winning (in which case we can vote with our conscience), or they’re not (in which case vocal opposition to genocide might encourage them to change policies to garner our vote).

    The alternative is that nothing will get them to change policies because they’re not interested in our vote. In which case the whole “turn up and the Democrats will move left” theory is nonsense.

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      18 minutes ago

      “Either the Democrats are comfortably winning”

      Don’t get comfortable in a democracy that works.

      people get to vote who they want to vote for.

      “The alternative is that…” - the illusion of only two choices comes from your having grown up with a broken democracy.

      “In which case the whole “turn up and the Democrats will move left” theory is nonsense.”

      this is nonense.

      none of this is the neat logic game you want it to be.

      in an election, people get to vote for who they want to vote for.

      in this election, Harris is the clear better choice for people who are not selfish.

      this does not mean that she wins.

      • Ephoron@lemmy.kde.social
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        none of this is the neat logic game you want it to be.

        And yet…

        in this election, Harris is the clear better choice for people who are not selfish.

        So presumably it is the “neat clear logic game” you want it to be.

        You haven’t answered any of the criticisms raised against your argument.

        It’s OK to just disagree with me and explain why, you know. You don’t have to label all opposing arguments as ‘nonsense’ (or misinformation, or ideologically biased, or whatever the latest buzz-term is…). You can just disagree. Humans are marvellous like that, we look at things differently from each other and form different views as a result. We even have this amazing tool ‘rational discourse’ whereby we can dissect those differences. It’s great.

        If you think one (or more) of my criticisms flawed, then quote it and point out the flaw. Try it, you might like it.