• Sundial@lemm.ee
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    12 hours ago

    It’s not the country’s he’s talking about. It’s the little areas of remote territory along Israel’s borders, that while technically part of those countries, they don’t resemble a country at all. There is no legit government. There is no law enforcement. There are no courts of law. They are essentially unincorporated territories held variously by local militias and tribes.

    Every wonder why? Here’s a little hint:

    https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2024/4/15/mapping-israel-lebanon-cross-border-attacks

    Notice the number of attacks by Israel is over 5 times the amount compared to Hezbollah. This is exactly how Israel operates. Destabilize a region forcing the inhabitants to leave then move in and claim it’s part of their territory. Then once the actual native population try to have it back, they cry victim and massacre them in the name of self defense. They’re already trying to settle areas in Gaza and the West Bank. It’s not a coincidence this statement appeared just as Israel launches the deadliest attack in Lebanon in the past 15 years and tells them to leave or face death.

    If Lebanon and Syria want to claim this territory as part of their country, they have to actually make it a part of a country, bring it under the jurisdiction of their law. Be legitimate leadership. Work towards the betterment of the people whose charge they claim.

    The Golan Heights would like a word with you.

    Israel is not going to let it be surrounded by lawless territory that Iran uses to stage attacks against Israel, certainly not while Iran is over there trying to cook up nuclear material to make dirty bombs.

    Love your casual use of the word lawless as if that indicates a lack of morality and a justification to settle territory that belongs to another nation.

    If you took even fifteen seconds to actually listen to the argument that’s being made, instead of only half, understanding it and rushing to an emotional judgment, you’d realize it doesn’t sound like The Onion at all. It’s an argument made by people all over the world, especially as to Gaza, for example, and, guess what? It’s a legit argument.

    I’m not being emotional and claiming a country doesn’t exist or it’s territories don’t belong to it is not a legit argument. Don’t try and gaslight the situation here.

    I ran Iraq and Syria, are not quite failed States, because they do still have a seat of power within their countries, and they do project that power to a limited extent. But they do not project it into these lawless border territories. And so when you have essentially gangs and terror cells, pretending to be legitimate political entities, how many suicide bombings, rocket attacks, and mass shootings must your neighbors abide before they bring their law to your territories? FAFO.

    You ever stop to consider why these countries are struggling to retain control? Countries like Iraq that got decimated and completely destabilized by the US under the false pretense of WMD’s? Each country you listed can have it’s destabilization traced back to foreign interference by foreign countries like the US and Israel. Destabilizing an entire region then calling it “lawless” and justifying the theft of the land for your own benefit is not a valid argument. This approach should be shamed and ridiculed just as we are doing here.

    • 【J】【u】【s】【t】【Z】@lemmy.world
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      2 hours ago

      Lol.

      No. The men that run these places want to live like it’s the year 800. They struggle because they govern by assassination and religious fiat. More power to them; world needs all types. Really just two rules, though: don’t try and export any of that bullshit or force it on anyone else, and at least, make a good faith effort to take care of the basic needs of the people: some public or subsidized utilities and infrastructure for food, water, and energy, some form of a healthcare system, and some system of law that’s at least capable of protecting human rights of the people, capable of policing corruption and conflicts of interest. Far right, extreme religious monarchies and dictatorships, have a real hard time with both rules; especially extremists don’t wear uniforms and who use women and kids as cannon fodder. If they can’t project any legitmate justice and peace to the territory they claim, and it gets overrun with armed religious psychopaths on a pan-national religious conquest.

      Like, it’s not trespassing to go onto your neighbor’s land, right up to the front door, break it down with an axe while screaming, and then blast everyone inside with water, if’n their house is on fire and spreading to yours. This is natural law, no?